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If this had been a conflict similar to the Korean War, when the North Korean army occupied most of South Korea and did damage to Seoul before retreating northward, and when the U.S. bombed North Korea to bits, then perhaps you'd have an argument.
Moscow has not been bombarded. St. Petersburg, Volgograd, Sochi, Novosibirsk... have they been bombed?
A pyrrhic victory it will not be, but a victory it will. A Russian victory.
If we wanted moscow to be taking rounds, we would have provided PrSM rounds for HIMARS which have the range to reach downtown Moscow.
Its ALREADY a Pyrrhic victory if Ukraine surrendered today. They are not.
It's the Russian conspiratorial view of the world which has led to their downfall. Putin truly believed that Ukraine was not a real country and he thought the rest of the world would just let him do as he pleased.
The psychology of an Isolated Russia makes it dangerous in the short term as it searches for weapons to use. It has found energy and food. Russia will use those weapons to whatever advantage it can find, but in so doing will find itself more and more isolated.
There are no longer any oil service companies in Russia and, so far as is known, none are willing to go back into business with Russia. Those who tout Russia's cleverness should review the video previously posted. At about the 10min mark Joe explains how Shell Oil was working with India to sell India a portion of the Sakhalin facility and Russia squashed that deal. Squashed it flat.
How clever was that?... Here we have numerous posters who point to India and China as Russian supporters and Russia has thrown cold water on India. A wise country would have invited India to participate in a joint venture. Russia simply pissed on them. That's stupid. India will help Russia only to the degree it must. And China saw what just happened.
Russia will look more like Venezuela in coming years. The world is safe from Venezuela and will, in due time, be safe from Russia.
A German journalist has visited one of those captured Western mercenaries sitting in jail in Donetsk.
Apart from confirming the immense corruption in the Ukrainian armed forces, he has told something very interesting regarding the Western arms that keep disappearing:
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At this point, the interview had been going on for quite a while. John and I were suddenly wide awake, because it was more than unexpected. John pressed on and Aslin said that it was basically a "circular business": The USA delivers the weapons to Ukraine, from there some of the weapons go to the Kurds of the YPG (in Syria), which in turn receives the money from the US government for the purchase of these weapons, which are sold by the Ukrainian military for a fraction of their official price.
This means the US is secretly arming the Kurds fighting Turkey in northern Syria. Turkey is formally a NATO ally of the USA.
LOL Russian nonsense here is fascinating. Ukriane was doing better then Russia before Russia atacked. Fun fact, one of the things milbloggers in Russia got upset about was Russia hitting the only factory that makes the engines that Russian naval vessels need. Stunningly stupid.
Anyways back to the topic. The US passed a budget and announced today that we are beginning the training of Ukrainian pilots in the F-15 and F-16 fighters. Things are going to get even worse for Russia. We have thousands of F-16s.
If we wanted moscow to be taking rounds, we would have provided PrSM rounds for HIMARS which have the range to reach downtown Moscow.
Its ALREADY a Pyrrhic victory if Ukraine surrendered today. They are not.
That anyone opining on this thread speaks so lightly of bombarding downtown Moscow indicates a very shallow approach to the conflict and a very flawed understanding of the parties involved.
It's not a pyrrhic victory. It won't be. Minus perhaps a very few strikes right over the border, the Ukrainians can't and won't strike deep into Russian territory, and if they dared to, Russia might just do a little shock and awe of its own.
Russia is going to win and Ukraine is going to lose.
LOL Russian nonsense here is fascinating. Ukriane was doing better then Russia before Russia atacked. Fun fact, one of the things milbloggers in Russia got upset about was Russia hitting the only factory that makes the engines that Russian naval vessels need. Stunningly stupid.
Anyways back to the topic. The US passed a budget and announced today that we are beginning the training of Ukrainian pilots in the F-15 and F-16 fighters. Things are going to get even worse for Russia. We have thousands of F-16s.
If Russia is so unstable of a country that they will nuke others because they fail to take a country they attacked?
Might as well put Russia down like the rabid bear it is if we can.
Russia has a no-first-strike policy - the Russians won't use nukes first.
But it'll respond with nukes if nuked first.
That said, you speak way too lightly about war with Russia. You have no idea what that would mean, both for the Ukrainians and for the west.
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