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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.58%
No 244 50.83%
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Old 07-23-2022, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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With virtually zero push back from the American people.

Orban is an autocratic Putin stooge and really does not belong in NATO
I kind of see it differently. Viktor Orban seems to have sensible policies that benefit the people of his country, the only people he really is beholden to anyway. When the U.S. decided to stop buying oil from Russia our gas prices skyrocketed and that negatively affected Americans, Viktor said he refused to do that because it would only hurt his citizens, I thought it was a smart move personally.
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Old 07-23-2022, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I kind of see it differently. Viktor Orban seems to have sensible policies that benefit the people of his country, the only people he really is beholden to anyway. When the U.S. decided to stop buying oil from Russia our gas prices skyrocketed and that negatively affected Americans, Viktor said he refused to do that because it would only hurt his citizens, I thought it was a smart move personally.
Well the rest of the Free World saw a rising threat in Europe illegally invading a sovereign nation for nothing more than imperialistic gains. This united the DNC and GOP in the US for crying out loud. Putin will not stop until he is stopped. So that the alliance against Russia is holding not because of the leader of governments but people living under those governments. There is little ambiguity here.
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Old 07-23-2022, 07:24 PM
 
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Well the rest of the Free World saw a rising threat in Europe illegally invading a sovereign nation for nothing more than imperialistic gains. This united the DNC and GOP in the US for crying out loud. Putin will not stop until he is stopped. So that the alliance against Russia is holding not because of the leader of governments but people living under those governments. There is little ambiguity here.
I respect that you see it differently John.
There were many things that led up to this war and I don't believe that Russia should get the entire blame for the invasion, Ukraine is not 100% innocent in this matter, they did things that led to the war.
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Old 07-23-2022, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I respect that you see it differently John.
There were many things that led up to this war and I don't believe that Russia should get the entire blame for the invasion, Ukraine is not 100% innocent in this matter, they did things that led to the war.
Regardless of whatever argument can be made here it does NOT justify a military invasion of a sovereign nation. Period. And that is why the world rallied behind Ukraine.
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Old 07-23-2022, 09:06 PM
 
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The head of the Turkish Defense Ministry stated that Russia was not involved in the shelling of Odessa


Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said that Russia was not involved in the shelling of the port in Odessa.
In the contacts that we had with Russia today, it was stated that it had nothing to do with the attack, â€TASS quotes Akar as quoted by the Turkish military department on its Twitter.
The Minister noted that the Russian side is thoroughly investigating the incident.
Formerly Secretary General of the United NationsAntónio Guterres commented on the attack on the port in Odessa.
West was accused of seizing children from Ukrainian refugees

ZaporozhyeVladimir Rogov accused Western countries of taking children from refugees from Ukraine. His words leadRIA Novosti.
“We are receiving information asking for help from Ukrainian refugees, including from the Zaporozhye region, who left with the start of the special operation for Western countries, and now they are faced with the mass removal of children under very far-fetched pretexts,†the official said. According to Rogov, currently 79 such incidents are known, the victims of which were, among other things, residentsDnepropetrovsk,Kiev and regions of Western Ukraine.
“Children are seized because they don’t eat up the portions they were given, or, conversely, they quickly eat them up, for a very strong emotional attachment to their parents, for the fact that the mother scolded the child loudly,†said Rogov. He added that the largest number of incidents are now recorded in Germany.

MOSCOW, July 23 - RIA Novosti. Russia managed to win a political, economic and military victory over the West, said former US intelligence officer Scott Ritter in an interview on YouTube channel
Judging Freedom.
“Russia is winning on all fronts. On the military front, on the battlefield. On the political front, just look at the collapse of the political order in Europe and the ongoing fall of the Biden administration inUSA. And on the economic side, Russia has changed the rules of the game: sanctions are boomeranging against the West," he explained.
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Old 07-23-2022, 09:08 PM
 
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Regardless of whatever argument can be made here it does NOT justify a military invasion of a sovereign nation. Period. And that is why the world rallied behind Ukraine.



Actually, entire US defense strategy is based on preemptive strike concept.
Ukraine was set to start military operation in LNR/DNR on February 26. Russia did preemptive strike on the 24th.
That you do not know about this or, western media do not talk about it, does not make this go away.
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Old 07-23-2022, 09:14 PM
 
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The impacts of the HIMARS are showing up on NASA FRIMS data. If you blow up a bunch ammo depots....juxtaposed to Russians targeting civilians...it show up on the battlefield

https://twitter.com/georgewbarros/st...86253176344576

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NASA FIRMS data from July 15-23 shows consistently fewer fires along the entire frontline in the Donbas relative to before July 10, which strongly suggests that HIMARS are having a continued impact on Russian artillery capabilities.
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Old 07-23-2022, 09:27 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Regardless of whatever argument can be made here it does NOT justify a military invasion of a sovereign nation. Period. And that is why the world rallied behind Ukraine.
And the world HAS rallied behind Ukraine, hasn't it?

Doesn't really matter much, does it, what we citizens think?
Russia invaded; Ukraine asked for arms; 29 nations have provided them.
The most important point to me is to understand the situation, not to control it because I can't do that.


Lot of Rus-a-bots think they can control what is happening by spinning it.
They can't.
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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I respect that you see it differently John.
There were many things that led up to this war and I don't believe that Russia should get the entire blame for the invasion, Ukraine is not 100% innocent in this matter, they did things that led to the war.
Can you give us the short list?
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:41 PM
 
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Actually, entire US defense strategy is based on preemptive strike concept.
Ukraine was set to start military operation in LNR/DNR on February 26. Russia did preemptive strike on the 24th.
That you do not know about this or, western media do not talk about it, does not make this go away.
The Ukie-bots have to ignore what happened from 2014 to just before the Russian special operation, otherwise the required narrative falls apart. Remember folks, we have to keep this narrative alive so everyone, please post responsibly. Ukraine always good, Russia always bad, no matter the facts.
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