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Old 07-28-2022, 03:37 PM
 
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oh chit!!!...our HIMARS has become obsolete already!!!..those damn pesky Russians anyway...always two steps ahead of us in technology...yeah, right...



https://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-...expert-1728820

Top-line Russian fighter jets that have been downed have been found to have Garmin GPS devices taped to their dashboards. I'm not really convinced of anything when it comes to Russian technical prowess.
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Old 07-28-2022, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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NATO is becoming armed to the teeth with new modern better weapons that Russia could ever dream about having..they'll never recover from this blunder..

https://www.reuters.com/world/with-m...ar-2022-07-28/
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Old 07-28-2022, 04:49 PM
 
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I’m not sure who is hurting worse from this economic warfare that was meant to crush Russia. They haven’t came close to collapse, and have commodities to continue feeding and fueling their country, meanwhile Europe cannot feed or fuel itself, that will become apparent this winter. Returning to normalized trade relations will benefit citizens all across Europe and beyond, I’m ready for that. US has waged plenty of wars in the name of protecting democracy or our national interests, I don’t hate Russia for doing the same even though I oppose all war and hope for peace. This should of never happened but here we are, I guess that is a conversation for another day, but let’s say that global leadership is severely lacking competence right now.

I’ll go so far as to say not only are we losing the economic war (we’ve entered a recession, EU is getting hit even harder), we’re also losing the military war. We don’t seem to have a strategy or anyway out of this either which is frightening. It’s beyond time to wake up and change course but we have a president asleep at the chair and I’m afraid special interests are running things.
Let's see ....reading your post....and it is pretty much a repeat of many of your posts...
USA and Europe are in rough shape ...
but in Russia everything is fine....no problems for them ....
gee...I guess we should all be moving to that utopia Russia...
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Old 07-28-2022, 05:14 PM
 
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Even if this were true (which it isn't) much better it happen in Ukraine, where American lives aren't on the line, and the US can capture and analyze the Russian attack, and come up with a solution before the we actually need to use this system ourselves.

Much like Israel's wars against the arabs were a laboratory for testing US weapons in combat, Ukraine is turning out much the same.

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oh chit!!!...our HIMARS has become obsolete already!!!..those damn pesky Russians anyway...always two steps ahead of us in technology...yeah, right...



https://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-...expert-1728820
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Old 07-28-2022, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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Even if this were true (which it isn't) much better it happen in Ukraine, where American lives aren't on the line, and the US can capture and analyze the Russian attack, and come up with a solution before the we actually need to use this system ourselves.

Much like Israel's wars against the arabs were a laboratory for testing US weapons in combat, Ukraine is turning out much the same.
My thought is that a win was needed for Russian public opinion. Saying we have cracked something to make it easier to intercept a missiles and we blew some up on the ground when we found a weapons cache is done to try to stop the people from stepping up to stop the state from sending their 17 year old boys to Ukraine next year.

If some kind of software tracking breakthrough was made that would be a closely held secret as Russian waited to use the breakthrough at a critical time on the battlefield.
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Old 07-28-2022, 06:27 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I’m not sure who is hurting worse from this economic warfare that was meant to crush Russia. They haven’t came close to collapse, and have commodities to continue feeding and fueling their country, meanwhile Europe cannot feed or fuel itself, that will become apparent this winter. Returning to normalized trade relations will benefit citizens all across Europe and beyond, I’m ready for that. US has waged plenty of wars in the name of protecting democracy or our national interests, I don’t hate Russia for doing the same even though I oppose all war and hope for peace. This should of never happened but here we are, I guess that is a conversation for another day, but let’s say that global leadership is severely lacking competence right now.

I’ll go so far as to say not only are we losing the economic war (we’ve entered a recession, EU is getting hit even harder), we’re also losing the military war. We don’t seem to have a strategy or anyway out of this either which is frightening. It’s beyond time to wake up and change course but we have a president asleep at the chair and I’m afraid special interests are running things.
The President is, indeed asleep in his chair.
The sanctions are doing their job and will continue to weaken Russia for years to come. Russia must now sell oil at a $40 discount and some brokers will not deal with them at all.
But "we" have to change strategy? "We" don't have an exit strategy? There are 29 countries providing arms to Ukraine. They will be provided arms as long as they request them. There is no "we" because no one asked you or me, and they are not going to.
Our recession has nothing to do with the US sending weapons to Ukraine.

You never know. This might end the same way the Iranian hostage situation did. A Republican with some spine took office and Iran threw down the hostages like they were radioactive.
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Old 07-28-2022, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Todays Update

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ssment-july-28

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The Russian grouping in Donetsk Oblast is likely seeking to capitalize on recent marginal gains southeast of Bakhmut by continuing to attempt to advance in that area. Russian forces may be de-emphasizing attempts to take Siversk in order to concentrate on Bakhmut, but it is too soon to tell.

Putin replaced Colonel-General Gennady Zhidko as deputy defense minister and head of the Main Military-Political Directorate on July 28
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Russian forces in Donetsk Oblast likely seek to capitalize on recent marginal territorial gains around Bakhmut and may deprioritize efforts to take Siversk.

Russian forces conducted limited ground assaults northwest of Slovyansk and northeast and southwest of Bakhmut.

Russian forces may be intensifying offensive operations around Avdiivka to reduce Ukrainian strikes in and around Donetsk City.

Russian forces may be setting conditions for renewed offensive operations toward Kharkiv City.

Russian forces attempted a limited ground offensive on the Southern Axis but are likely facing territorial losses in Kherson Oblast.

Russian forces are attempting to preserve their ground lines of communication over the Dnipro River connecting Kherson City to rear areas in eastern Kherson Oblast.

The Kremlin continued measures to compensate for officer and manpower losses in Ukraine.

The Kremlin is continuing to institutionalize its occupation administrations in occupied parts of Ukraine to prepare for sham referenda, annexation, and integration into Russia.

Russian occupation forces are continuing to pressure Ukrainian civilians in occupied areas to use Russian rubles and passports and to attend Russian-run schools, setting conditions for longer-term social control in occupied territories.
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The Kremlin is continuing to institutionalize its occupation administrations in occupied parts of Ukraine to prepare for sham referenda, annexation, and integration into Russia. Russian Senator Andrei Klishas said on July 28 that he “fully admits” that the primary objective of the autumn session of the Russian Duma will be “the integration of new territories into the legal space of the Russian Federation.”[36] The autumn session is scheduled to begin on September 12, one day after the most likely date for sham annexation plebiscites to be held in occupied territories. In the meantime, the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) announced on July 28 that it has created “temporary departments” and deployed MVD employees to occupied Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts to support occupation authorities in “ensuring order on the streets,” assisting in the formation of local police departments, conducting operational-search activities, fighting extremism, and assisting in the “permanent issuance” of Russian passports.[37] The Kremlin has likely been unable to recruit many Ukrainians to enforce occupation laws and combat resistance efforts in occupied territories.

Russian occupation forces are continuing to pressure Ukrainian civilians in occupied areas to use Russian rubles and passports instead of Ukrainian hryvnias and identification documents. Acting Ukrainian Head of Kherson Oblast Dmytro Butrii said on July 28 that Russian occupation forces have banned the use of the hryvnia in Kherson and that occupation police are patrolling local markets to threaten and punish those using hryvnias.[38] Butrii also reported that occupation officials have begun to remove ATMs from local markets, suggesting that the Kremlin may be attempting to not only eliminate the use of the hryvnia, but also limit cash access to civilians who cooperate with the occupation administration. The Kremlin could also attempt to drive occupied areas toward a cashless (and therefore more trackable) economy. Russian milblogger Boris Rozhin claimed that 10% of Zaporizhia Oblast residents had received or were in the process of receiving Russian passports as of July 28.[39] He also claimed that passportization is underway in occupied parts of Kharkiv Oblast and claimed that the slow formation of Kharkiv occupation administration accounts for the low percentage of Kharkiv residents in the passport process so far.

Russian occupation authorities are also advancing their efforts to influence schools and curricula in occupied territories in the face of some Ukrainian resistance. Ukrainian Mayor of Melitopol Ivan Fedorov claimed that all Zaporizhia Oblast school leaders have refused to cooperate with occupation authorities as of July 28.[40] Fedorov said that occupation officials have decided to consolidate four unspecified universities in occupied areas down to one and that 2,000 students would return at an unspecified date, compared to peacetime university attendance of 14,000 students in the oblast. Russian Zaporizhia Occupation Administration Head Yevheny Balitsky claimed on July 28 that his agenda for a meeting with senior occupation officials included not only discussions of price controls, social payments, and the annexation referendum, but also preparation for the new academic year, demonstrating the degree to which occupation officials are prioritizing control over Ukrainian education in occupied territories.[41]

Ukrainian advisor to the mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryushchenko reported that Ukrainian teachers from Donetsk and Mariupol completed a pre-certification course for “knowledge and teaching of Russian propaganda” to children in occupied territories. Occupation officials likely brought in Russian specialists to reform Ukrainian curriculums and may be forcing Ukrainian teachers who hope to keep their jobs to re-certify their educational credentials to match Russian standards and curricula. Evacuees from near Mariupol told NPR on July 9 that Russian forces threatened to take children from their parents if they did not attend schools with Russian teachers, suggesting that children in occupied areas will be largely forced to attend Russian-controlled educational institutions.[42] That Russian effort is one component of the Kremlin campaign to set conditions for longer-term Russian social control throughout occupied parts of Ukraine.
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Old 07-28-2022, 09:17 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The first Gegard 35mm anti aircraft vehicles are now arriving from Germany.
The below link tells all about it and includes some pretty impressive film of the 2 cannons firing at 1100 rounds per minute.
Three man crew; 2 radars; very fast..... Low flying aircraft and helicopters will have a tough time if they run into one of these.
They are also well suited for ground fire against tanks and so forth if the need arises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWh3...taryHighlights
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Old 07-28-2022, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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The first Gegard 35mm anti aircraft vehicles are now arriving from Germany.
The below link tells all about it and includes some pretty impressive film of the 2 cannons firing at 1100 rounds per minute.
Three man crew; 2 radars; very fast..... Low flying aircraft and helicopters will have a tough time if they run into one of these.
They are also well suited for ground fire against tanks and so forth if the need arises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWh3...taryHighlights

it seems that the Russians aren't the only ones with Cold War era war stocks sitting in storage
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Old 07-28-2022, 09:33 PM
 
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Even if this were true (which it isn't) much better it happen in Ukraine, where American lives aren't on the line, and the US can capture and analyze the Russian attack, and come up with a solution before the we actually need to use this system ourselves.

Much like Israel's wars against the arabs were a laboratory for testing US weapons in combat, Ukraine is turning out much the same.
I agree. Not only weapons are being tested, but war tactics as well. These are my observations:

1. Drones will play a huge role in future wars.

2. Towed Howitzers will be outdated.

3. Tanks won't become obsolete. They will be better.

4. Missile defense systems will be critical.

5. Intelligence gathering and sharing will play an even bigger role in future wars.
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