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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.50%
No 245 50.94%
Unsure 46 9.56%
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Old 08-08-2022, 02:30 PM
 
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the Russian economy will slowly fail as the European energy spigot gets turned off from Russian supply..
No India, China, and a good chunk of the rest of world will just buy it. Western nations are no longer the only game in town.
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Old 08-08-2022, 02:38 PM
 
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No India, China, and a good chunk of the rest of world will just buy it. Western nations are no longer the only game in town.
They would need to build a huge pipeline, perhaps several. Currently there is next to nothing in place to ship east and south the huge volume of natural gas which Europe has been buying.

Perhaps they can build the infrastructure for LNG.
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Old 08-08-2022, 02:40 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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They would need to build a huge pipeline, perhaps several. Currently there is next to nothing in place to ship east and south the huge volume of natural gas which Europe has been buying.

Perhaps they can build the infrastructure for LNG.
I know of a pipeline being built to China, called Siberia something
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Old 08-08-2022, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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They would need to build a huge pipeline, perhaps several. Currently there is next to nothing in place to ship east and south the huge volume of natural gas which Europe has been buying.

Perhaps they can build the infrastructure for LNG.
They already have an LNG plant in the Yamal Peninsula and use the arctic sea to ship it out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamal_LNG

They also have the pipeline going to China
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_Siberia
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Old 08-08-2022, 03:14 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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They already have an LNG plant in the Yamal Peninsula and use the arctic sea to ship it out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamal_LNG

They also have the pipeline going to China
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_Siberia
The Yamal gas is the same that used to go to Europe, I think.
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Old 08-08-2022, 03:16 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I'm not so sure about that. The Iranian economy is growing again, as is Venezuela. N. Korea is still making nuclear bombs and advanced delivery systems despite being under decades worth of sanctions..............
North Korea may some day develop a nuclear tipped missile capable of leaving North Korea, but they know perfectly well it would mean the end for that country's military.
Venezuela is, indeed, "growing again". But let's tell the whole story. GDP has risen to maybe $150B. But it used to be nearly $400B.
Iran?... Inflation rate there is an astounding 52%!..... But, yeah. It's "growing again" alright.
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Old 08-08-2022, 03:29 PM
 
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North Korea may some day develop a nuclear tipped missile capable of leaving North Korea, but they know perfectly well it would mean the end for that country's military.
Venezuela is, indeed, "growing again". But let's tell the whole story. GDP has risen to maybe $150B. But it used to be nearly $400B.
Iran?... Inflation rate there is an astounding 52%!..... But, yeah. It's "growing again" alright.

Funny you always mention those countries. You seem to support illegal sanctions against countries that have not done anything to other countries, not even threatened. What has Venezuela done to the West that justifies the genocidal sanctions, or any sanctions for that matter? What has Iran done? Why would it not develop nuclear stuff when half a dozen other countries are allowed to have it? According to the UN all countries have the same rights.
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Old 08-08-2022, 03:37 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The first ship loaded with Ukrainian grain, 26k tons of maize in this case, has arrived in Lebanon, from where the stuff was supposed to go to Syria. But, Syria is no longer willing to receive the stuff, they have cancelled the deal because delivery is 5 months too late
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Old 08-08-2022, 03:49 PM
 
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Oh yeah man they have held back so much that's why they are bringing out rusty T-62s, raising the age for recruits to 55, and lobbing S-300s SAMs at cities as ballistic missiles.

About 120 out of Russia’s 160 battalion tactical groups are boots on the ground in Ukraine, which is about 75% of their army strength.
The Russians are holding back. It's obvious. Sure, even their best is second rate, but they aren't using it here. They're holding their best back, because they can't afford the risk.
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Old 08-08-2022, 03:50 PM
 
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You've basically articulated the reason why so many whiffed on Russia's progress. Russia today is not the Russia of 1944 and Operation Bagration. It's a depleted country that doesn't have bottomless manpower reserves, a corrupt military, and an industrial base that can't produce the materials of war.



The longer Russia goes without winning this, the more likely Russia simply collapses economically.
The Russians aren't even using what they do have... which ain't much.
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