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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.58%
No 244 50.83%
Unsure 46 9.58%
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:04 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Yes, Adolf Hitler's plan to get more "breathing space" for Germany by conquering Russia. But Russia has all the breathing space that it needs. It seems that the latest manifestation of Lebensraum is the United States who feels it has to be Number One and must encroach on others to maintain it.
See, you can't help but reveal where your loyalty lies. Answer this question. If it ever came down to a life and death struggle between America and Russia, which side would you pick? I have no issue with people following their heart and wanting their side to win. I just have no respect for people who come to this country but yet secretly wants America to fail.
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:04 AM
 
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. Having a Russian background doesn't prevent me from being objective.............
OK. Must be something else, then.
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Ukrainian army is making good progress and has reached into Crimea. The following headlines appeared:



Explosions erupted across Crimea on Tuesday, with reports of smoke and fire in at least three different areas where military bases or munitions depots are located..

A record number of cars have crossed the Crimea Bridge that links Crimea to Russia as Russians flee

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...f-the-invasion
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:16 AM
 
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See, you can't help but reveal where your loyalty lies. Answer this question. If it ever came down to a life and death struggle between America and Russia, which side would you pick? I have no issue with people following their heart and wanting their side to win. I just have no respect for people who come to this country but yet secretly wants America to fail.
Wrong again. I don't want the United States to fail. Or Russia either. I want everyone to live in peace.

The United States has been good to me and I have done well financially here. This is my country and I don't want to live anywhere else. If it ever came down to a final struggle between the USA and Russia, I would choose the USA. But as I had said earlier, there are no good guys. Each side has its problems and we all have to make our choices.
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:23 AM
 
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OK. Must be something else, then.
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Ukrainian army is making good progress and has reached into Crimea. The following headlines appeared:



Explosions erupted across Crimea on Tuesday, with reports of smoke and fire in at least three different areas where military bases or munitions depots are located..

A record number of cars have crossed the Crimea Bridge that links Crimea to Russia as Russians flee

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...f-the-invasion
Yes, something else like seeking the truth.

So, Ukrainian troops have entered the Crimea? Explosions at those three military bases cause casualties and loss of materiel, but they don't change the outcome on the battlefield. Call me when Ukrainian troops do enter the Crimea, the Donbass, or Russia itself.
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:28 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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LOL. Says the guy trying to float the idea that Russia is at any risk of NATO invasion. Russia has nukes. They 100% can move their military at full force.

Why do you assume Ukraine is losing more? They have the same or better weapons then Russia, and are on the defense-a recipe that historically costs the attackers vastly more. You should try and study military doctrine so you don't embarrass yourself in the future.

And yeah they've lost massive amounts of armor. Even if we use ONLY the armor we have photographic evidence for its a massive loss. Or do you think theyre resurrecting T-62s for their effectiveness on the battlefield? LOL.
Ukraine has been struggling. Some of their troops have been in extreme distress, some have been deserting, others have been begging for better back-up, more supplies (they were severely under-supplied until the latest influx of military donations from various allied countries), more medical supplies, even. And don't forget, they've lost control of nearly the entire southern coastal region. That definitely looks like 'losing more" to me.

Acknowledging these realities does not mean someone is a "bot" or "troll". All it means is, they're taking a balanced view of the situation. In wartime, it's important to have a realistic assessment of both sides. Just because we want Ukraine to win, or at least--survive enough to be able to rebuild someday, doesn't mean we should ignore their weaknesses. If the West ignores their weaknesses, how would it be able to provide effective help?

Russia definitely has to maintain troops along its borders. If it sends too many troops to Ukraine and leaves its Far East undermanned, that could be seen as an opening by Japan to re-take some territory. Everything is not always about NATO. There's a whole world out there that has no relation to NATO at all, and Russia's keenly aware of it, and has to be prepared to defend itself from the neighboring parts of it.

The kind of black-and-white thinking that typifies these Russia/Ukraine threads is not at all helpful for having an understanding of the overall situation that's grounded in reality.
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:34 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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So, Ukrainian troops have entered the Crimea? Explosions at those three military bases cause casualties and loss of materiel, but they don't change the outcome on the battlefield. Call me when Ukrainian troops do enter the Crimea, the Donbass, or Russia itself.
I got that same request from the mayor of Hiroshima.
But by the time troops got there he was nowhere to be found.
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:48 AM
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Ukraine has been struggling. Some of their troops have been in extreme distress, some have been deserting, others have been begging for better back-up, more supplies (they were severely under-supplied until the latest influx of military donations from various allied countries), more medical supplies, even. And don't forget, they've lost control of nearly the entire southern coastal region. That definitely looks like 'losing more" to me.

Acknowledging these realities does not mean someone is a "bot" or "troll". All it means is, they're taking a balanced view of the situation. In wartime, it's important to have a realistic assessment of both sides. Just because we want Ukraine to win, or at least--survive enough to be able to rebuild someday, doesn't mean we should ignore their weaknesses. If the West ignores their weaknesses, how would it be able to provide effective help?

Russia definitely has to maintain troops along its borders. If it sends too many troops to Ukraine and leaves its Far East undermanned, that could be seen as an opening by Japan to re-take some territory. Everything is not always about NATO. There's a whole world out there that has no relation to NATO at all, and Russia's keenly aware of it, and has to be prepared to defend itself from the neighboring parts of it.

The kind of black-and-white thinking that typifies these Russia/Ukraine threads is not at all helpful for having an understanding of the overall situation that's grounded in reality.
Look at the map in late March. Ukraine has gained massive ground back in the north and around Kharkiv. they have gained land back near Kherson. Russia has gained some ground in Luhansk and Donetsk. Russia may have 20% of the Ukraine now, but back then they had close to 30%.

There are plenty of bots and trolls on this thread. People who will justify anything Russia does. One of them was even justifying the mass murder of 20,000 Polish officers early in WWII by the Russians. They deny the obvious war crimes and justify state sanctioned murder of POWs. The bots and trolls I put on ignore. I think you tend to give them too much credence.
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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Ukraine has been struggling. Some of their troops have been in extreme distress, some have been deserting, others have been begging for better back-up, more supplies (they were severely under-supplied until the latest influx of military donations from various allied countries), more medical supplies, even. And don't forget, they've lost control of nearly the entire southern coastal region. That definitely looks like 'losing more" to me.

Acknowledging these realities does not mean someone is a "bot" or "troll". All it means is, they're taking a balanced view of the situation. In wartime, it's important to have a realistic assessment of both sides. Just because we want Ukraine to win, or at least--survive enough to be able to rebuild someday, doesn't mean we should ignore their weaknesses. If the West ignores their weaknesses, how would it be able to provide effective help?

Russia definitely has to maintain troops along its borders. If it sends too many troops to Ukraine and leaves its Far East undermanned, that could be seen as an opening by Japan to re-take some territory. Everything is not always about NATO. There's a whole world out there that has no relation to NATO at all, and Russia's keenly aware of it, and has to be prepared to defend itself from the neighboring parts of it.

The kind of black-and-white thinking that typifies these Russia/Ukraine threads is not at all helpful for having an understanding of the overall situation that's grounded in reality.

Japan, as in only nation that has been nuked Japan will take their "Self Defense Force" and try to re-"take" land? There is a large border to worry about, but not from Japan.
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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it is all Putin's fault..100%..he had Russia invade Ukraine without any provocation from them..simply because he wants to restore Russia to the great glory of the past...well, 30 years of independence from Ukraine is not going to allow that to happen..and we intend to help them keep their freedom and independence..they don't need Russia..Putin just wants to steal their land and resources..and Russia will surely die a slow suffering death because of it..his people will rise up against him one day and that will be the end for him..the sooner the better..
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Old 08-17-2022, 11:52 AM
 
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Biggest ammo depot explosion yet; this time in Crimea.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8lMxRfdZ6g
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