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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.75%
No 242 50.63%
Unsure 46 9.62%
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Old 08-26-2022, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Putin and the Kremlin are so afraid of losing control over their dictatorship-style of government! It's coming for them though. Using NATO as an excuse to invade Ukraine, and now saying the war will go in to "de-Nazify" Ukraine. It's funny when you are a dictatorship, you spend 1/3 of your energy on coming up with lies to keep moving forward.

Looks like the US is not ready to give up on Ukraine - the weapons will keep coming and bankrupt Russia and make it a 2nd or even 3rd class military.

Russia used to be so good at selling military hardware! Now it will be all junk! India and those other countries need to find another seller!



Russia can't stop war, even if Ukraine drops NATO hopes -Putin ally
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-ca...215317701.html
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Old 08-26-2022, 06:06 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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I thought so too, but now Nordstream 2 is already sunk, so if this was the US lone objective to help create conditions to shut the pipeline down, they already have. I would think it will not ever be completed, but perhaps that US fear lingers still.
Russia still has all its natural resources and is selling more than ever to nations the US considers rivals, so it is hard to see a win there for the US. Less use of the dollar isn't a win either. Weakening Russia's military is likely occurring, but they can manufacture more weapons and/or buy from China so where is the win there? There are many other factors, but in the longer term it is unclear to me what the US strategy actually is. It is clear that the Ukrainians aren't a priority in terms of US policy except as to how they can used against Russia.
I read one article that said the move by these countries off the USD to buy oil may come back and bite us in The future
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Old 08-26-2022, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Which should make you ask...what is the real intent behind this US funded war between Ukraine-Russia ?

I think it's over Nordstream 2
It is much larger than that. Are you familiar with the Wolfowitz Doctrine? The most immediate cause of this war is America's desire to maintain the unipolar world order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfow...erpower_status

Although the United States helped to establish the European Union and propped them up during the Cold War, the United States has no interest in creating a geopolitical rival. America wants to maintain Europe only as a divided and dependent continent.


The true purpose of this war is the containment of China. In order for America to maintain global hegemony, the United States needs to prevent a Russia-Chinese alliance, block China's belt-and-road initiative by surrounding China with hostile/fearful countries, and bankrupt Russia to force regime-change. Then with Russia gone we can overthrow Maduro in Venezuela, Assad in Syria, and the Iranians. Push NATO to China's borders, destroy the Euro to create greater dependency on the US dollar, prevent the Saudis and OPEC from selling oil in anything other than US dollars to maintain the dollar as world's reserve currency, create a conflict between China and its neighbors so that when China uses military force, we impose sanctions through our European/Russian/Australian/Arab vassals to choke a Chinese economy dependent on the import of raw materials, leading to regime-change and possibly the balkanization of China. America will then have destroyed all of its potential rivals so that the WEF can proceed to Americanize/globalize the world.


Without the Ukraine War, Ukraine would have rejoined Russia, Russia would more closely allied with Germany which would break the EU and cause Europe to realign more to the east, China will continue to rise, the Yuan would become the world's reserve currency(leading to massive inflation of the dollar), the Belt-and-Road initiative would sidestep American Naval Dominance, China would reabsorb Taiwan peacefully and control most of the international market for advanced computer chips, China will buy Africa and agitate against America in the Middle-East and in Latin-America, while China also continues to pump fentanyl and other drugs into America through Mexico which China is using as a base to destabilize the United States. The end result would be the balkanization of the United States.

America cannot lose this war or there will cease to be an America.

https://youtu.be/saE-OQlXtno?t=1027

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Old 08-26-2022, 06:37 PM
 
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Looks like Russia isn't the only one using social media platforms to spread propaganda.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...eration-report

And we wonder why many countries ban or restrict the use of U.S. social media platforms. As the article points out the groups responsible were traced to the U.S. and the U.K. Sad I had to learn of this from a foreign media outlet. I previously denied other countries notions of the U.S. trying to manipulate their people into starting a revolution, but after reading this article I think it is very well plausible. Destabilization is the name of game.
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Old 08-26-2022, 06:41 PM
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Europe is going to have a big problem this winter with just keeping the lights on. They rely on Russian gas and oil


Listening to European Electricity Traders Is Very, Very Scary
Keeping the lights on in Europe this winter may prove more difficult than governments are currently admitting.
Well Russia wants to play games, but they also need the money. And long term, its a disaster for them for Europe to wean off Russia energy.
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Old 08-26-2022, 06:47 PM
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Looks like Russia isn't the only one using social media platforms to spread propaganda.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...eration-report

And we wonder why many countries ban or restrict the use of U.S. social media platforms. As the article points out the groups responsible were traced to the U.S. and the U.K. Sad I had to learn of this from a foreign media outlet. I previously denied other countries notions of the U.S. trying to manipulate their people into starting a revolution, but after reading this article I think it is very well plausible. Destabilization is the name of game.
I didn't see anything in the article that the influencers said that wasn't totally true.

If it was really propaganda, they would have had a least one example that was a gross exaggeration or absolute falsehood. Sounds like SIO, doing the report, is a Russian propaganda group.
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Old 08-26-2022, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Todays Update....further signs of culmination

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ment-august-26

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Russian forces did not make any claimed or assessed territorial gains in Ukraine on August 26, 2022, for the first time since August 18, 2022.

However, Russian forces still conducted limited and unsuccessful ground attacks on the Eastern Axis on August 26.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) stated that unspecified actors (but almost certainly Russian forces) reconnected part of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) to the Ukrainian power grid on August 26.

Russian occupation authorities remain unlikely to successfully conduct sham referenda to annex Ukrainian territory into the Russian Federation by early September, despite reports of advancing preparations for referenda.
Key Takeaways

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ment-august-26

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The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) stated that elements of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) reconnected to the Ukrainian power grid on August 26.

Russian occupation authorities remain unlikely to successfully conduct sham referenda to annex Ukrainian territory into the Russian Federation by early September, despite reports of advancing preparations for referenda.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks southwest of Izyum, northeast and south of Bakhmut, and on the northwestern outskirts of Donetsk City.

Ukrainian forces continued targeting Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCS) and military infrastructure in Kherson Oblast which support operations on the west bank of the Dnipro River.

Russian federal subjects (regions) continued additional recruitment drives for volunteer battalions, which continue to deploy to Ukraine.

Ukrainian partisans and internal division continue to pose threats to Russian control of occupied territories.
Activity in Russian-occupied Areas

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Ukrainian partisans continued to target occupation authorities and disrupt Russian preparations for annexation referenda. Russian and Ukrainian sources stated on August 26 that unidentified Ukrainian partisans conducted an improvised explosive device (IED) attack against Alexander Kolesnikov, the Deputy Police Chief of occupied Berdyansk, Zaporizhia Oblast.[43] Ukrainian Mayor of Melitopol Ivan Fedorov also stated that Ukrainian partisans in Melitopol, Kherson Oblast damaged a referendum headquarters in Melitopol.[44] The targeting of collaborators by partisan groups is likely impeding Russian efforts to establish stable governing systems and pursue formal referendums in occupied territories.

Internal discord is likely also contributing to the instability of occupation regimes. The Ukrainian Resistance Center reported that Russian-appointed Mayor of Mariupol Konstantin Ivashchenko left Mariupol on August 26 following an assassination attempt on August 25.[45] Ukrainian Advisor to the Mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryushchenko stated that Russian Duma Deputy Dmytro Sablin and Russian-backed former Mariupol City Council Member Petro Ivanov ordered Ivashchenko’s assassination. Andryushchenko further reported that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Denis Pushilin appointed DNR authorities to investigate the assassination attempt rather than turning the case over to Russian authorities, as per previous cases in Russian-occupied territories.[46] ISW cannot independently confirm Andryushchenko’s statements at this time. However, if proven true, a rift between Russian and DNR authorities would suggest Russia will face increasing difficulty coordinating governance and responses to Ukrainian threats in occupied territories.

Russian and proxy authorities continue efforts to facilitate the social integration of occupied areas using inconsistent applications of incentives and threats. Education systems remain a prime target. Parents who refuse to send their children to Russian schools in occupied territories face fines ranging from 40,000 to 150,000 rubles ($663-$2,487), the revocation of their parental rights, the confiscation of their property, and police interference, depending on their location.[47] Parents who choose to send their children to Russian schools in occupied territories may receive a one-time 10,000-ruble ($165) payment, as ISW has previously reported.[48]

The Yale School of Public Health’s Humanitarian Research Lab published a report locating at least 21 confirmed filtration facilities functioning in Donetsk Oblast alone on August 25.[49] The filtration facilities reportedly each serve one of four purposes: registration, holding, secondary interrogation, or detention of Ukrainian civilians. The Humanitarian Research Lab asserted that facility conditions include overcrowding, poor sanitation, insufficient food and water provision, denial of medical care, occasional use of electric shocks, and isolation tactics that “can constitute cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment under international humanitarian and human rights law.”
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Old 08-26-2022, 09:11 PM
 
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The Russian bots are out in full force today...lol

Ukraine must be winning....the tide is turning...
They come and go. There are some chinaman bots here too.
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Old 08-26-2022, 10:04 PM
 
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Serbia did not dispute Austria's claims to Bosnia...
Say what?

Anyway, I think I'm done with this exercise in hair-splitting.
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Old 08-26-2022, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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In the last 2 days news stories regarding China, Turkey, Venezuela, Malaysia, and the Soloman Islands all worked against US interests, so it would seem that the US goal is a longshot if they need/expect worldwide support.
Will America accept defeat or will we escalate the conflict into WWIII? What is the diplomatic way out for America?

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