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Old 06-02-2022, 05:50 PM
 
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Keep them out of the hands of that Azov battalion.......didn't they surrender
in Mariupol a week or two ago? They're now somewhere in Russia....
probably to some filtration camp.

Most of them are in DNR, but some were taken directly to Russia and are under investigation, for the specific war crimes they committed throughout 2014-2022.

And yes, they were considered elite unit in Ukraine and received both best equipment and training.


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Biden mentioned Ukraine is only getting shorter range ammo for that rocket system...
43 km range ...not the longer 180 km range.

No one in Russia believes "Zelensky's promises" that Ukraine won't use them on the border with Russia.

The Javelins earlier were supplied to Ukraine as well with the promise that they "wouldn't make it to Donbass front lines."
Guess where they ended up of course.



That's why the railroad tunnel leading from EU to Ukraine was blown up today with the Russian Calibers.
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Old 06-02-2022, 06:46 PM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61607184
Some Russian contract soldiers refusing to return to Ukraine. At this point there apparently haven't been adverse consequences for those who have already served.

"Some Russian troops are refusing to return to fight in Ukraine because of their experiences on the front line at the start of the invasion, according to Russian human rights lawyers and activists. The BBC has been speaking to one such soldier.

"I don't want to go [back to Ukraine] to kill and be killed," says Sergey - not his real name - who spent five weeks fighting in Ukraine earlier this year.

He is now home in Russia, having taken legal advice to avoid being sent back to the front line. Sergey is just one of hundreds of Russian soldiers understood to have been seeking such advice...."
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Old 06-02-2022, 06:48 PM
 
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Keep them out of the hands of that Azov battalion.......didn't they surrender
in Mariupol a week or two ago? They're now somewhere in Russia....

probably to some filtration camp.

Biden mentioned Ukraine is only getting shorter range ammo for that rocket system...
43 km range ...not the longer 180 km range.
Really? All of them? Are you sure?

OK, in that case, why is the war continuing? Didn't P meet his quota of captured Nazis, supposedly the reason for the war? Mission accomplished?
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Old 06-02-2022, 06:51 PM
 
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Neither the U.S. nor the EU are negotiating with Russia to get wheat exports out of Ukraine.

The UN and the country of Turkey are negotiating to get wheat exports out of Ukraine.
Source, please? The EU announced at their recent summit, that they were taking that on as a project.
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Old 06-02-2022, 07:00 PM
 
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Really? All of them? Are you sure?

OK, in that case, why is the war continuing? Didn't P meet his quota of captured Nazis, supposedly the reason for the war? Mission accomplished?

Because the Nazi keep on shelling civilians in Donetsk, worse than ever.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJcNj0sUpnE


https://www.1tv.ru/news/2022-05-30/4...so_storony_vsu


If the Western media is not reporting it, that doesn't mean it is not happening.


It was only ONE Azov battalion that was captured.

The rest of the Nazi are still running around.

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Old 06-02-2022, 07:04 PM
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Source, please? The EU announced at their recent summit, that they were taking that on as a project.
The French and German leaders talked to Putin about it last week. Now maybe the UN and Turks are taking the lead. UN leaders are supposed to be in Moscow in the next day or two.
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Old 06-02-2022, 07:08 PM
 
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Really? All of them? Are you sure?

OK, in that case, why is the war continuing? Didn't P meet his quota of captured Nazis, supposedly the reason for the war? Mission accomplished?
That Nazi stuff was/is total BS....just a made up excuse...
Putin doesn't give f**k anout Nazis...he probably secretly admires them...
Russia has plently of neo Nazis...so the Nazi stuff is pure BS.

It's a land grab...pure and simple...
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Old 06-02-2022, 07:12 PM
 
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Besides denazification, the other goal was demilitarization, but Ukraine now has more arms than when they started, and 2 more countries will be joining NATO.
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Old 06-02-2022, 07:19 PM
 
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Besides denazification, the other goal was demilitarization, but Ukraine now has more arms than when they started, and 2 more countries will be joining NATO.
Hopefully you don't actually believe those fairytales...

Putin had his patsy as head of government ...that dude was kicked out ...
back to Russia back in early 2014....
Putin was/is livid that Ukraine went pro west and grabbed Crimea...
and tried to grab the whole country ...that backfired...now he's trying to
save face by grabbing the Donbas.
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Old 06-02-2022, 07:25 PM
 
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That Nazi stuff was/is total BS....just a made up excuse...
No it's not BS, it's the very essence of this Nationalist Ukrainian state.

"Just as disturbing, neo-Nazis are part of some of Ukraine’s growing ranks of volunteer battalions. They are battle-hardened after waging some of the toughest street fighting against Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine following Putin’s Crimean invasion in 2014. One is the Azov Battalion, founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine’s national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races. In 2018, the U.S. Congress stipulated that its aid to Ukraine couldn’t be used “to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.” Even so, Azov is now an official member of the Ukraine National Guard."


https://mronline.org/2022/06/02/empi...-a-logo-change

And Azov is just a tip of the iceberg, the most visible part of it.

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Putin doesn't give f**k anout Nazis...he probably secretly admires them...
If you remove Putin from the picture, this doesn't change a thing what this Ukrainian Nazi state is all about.

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Russia has plently of neo Nazis...so the Nazi stuff is pure BS.

It's a land grab...pure and simple...
No it does not.

They escaped to Ukraine to join their "bros," and now they are on the "wanted" list in Russia.
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