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Old 09-17-2022, 08:22 PM
 
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Todays Update

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...t-september-17

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Russian forces continue to conduct meaningless offensive operations around Donetsk City and Bakhmut instead of focusing on defending against Ukrainian counteroffensives that continue to advance.

Russian failures to rush large-scale reinforcements to eastern Kharkiv and to Luhansk Oblasts leave most of Russian-occupied northeastern Ukraine highly vulnerable to continuing Ukrainian counter-offensives.

Ukrainian forces appear to be expanding positions east of the Oskil River and north of the Siverskyi Donets River that could allow them to envelop Russian troops holding around Lyman.
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Russian forces continue to prioritize strategically meaningless offensive operations around Donetsk City and Bakhmut over defending against continued Ukrainian counter-offensive operations in Kharkiv Oblast.

Ukrainian forces liberated a settlement southwest of Lyman and are likely continuing to expand their positions in the area.

Ukrainian forces continued to conduct an interdiction campaign in Kherson Oblast.

Russian forces continued to conduct unsuccessful assaults around Bakhmut and Avdiivka.

Ukrainian sources reported extensive partisan attacks on Russian military assets and logistics in southern Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russian officials continued to undertake crypto-mobilization measures to generate forces for war Russian war efforts.

Russian authorities are working to place 125 “orphan” Ukrainian children from occupied Donetsk Oblast with Russian families.
Activity in Russian-occupied Areas.....This is just sickening

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Russian authorities reported that Ukrainian children forcibly deported to Russia for adoption have received Russian citizenship and may be separated from their siblings.[51] Russian Presidential Commissioner for Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova stated that Russian authorities are working to place 125 “orphan” Ukrainian children from occupied Donetsk Oblast with Russian families but may have to separate siblings from families with over seven children.[52] Lvova-Belova stated that Russian authorities have already granted these children Russian citizenship and are conducting “psychological testing” to determine appropriate placement with Russian families.[53] As ISW has previously reported, the forcible transfer of children from one group to another “with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group” is a violation of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.[54]

Russian authorities are intensifying measures to identify and detain Ukrainians who oppose the occupation regime. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Zaporizhia Oblast occupation authorities recently announced the strengthening of “sanctions” against patriotic Ukrainians and are threatening Ukrainian activists with forced deportation to occupied Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts where occupation authorities have deemed providing support to members of the Ukrainian resistance movement a crime punishable by death.[55] The Ukrainian General Staff also reported that occupation authorities in Kherson Oblast are conducting weekly inspections of Ukrainian businesses and are threatening to “nationalize” the businesses if they do not cooperate with the occupation regime.[56] Ukraine’s Resistance Center reported that occupation authorities are searching for patriotic Ukrainians in Kherson City by engaging in dialogues to fish for personal information, setting up fake fundraisers for Ukrainian forces, or asking about the deployment of Russian forces, after which occupation authorities detain the Ukrainians for filtration.[57] The Rosgvardia Press Service announced that Rosgvardia forces detained over 50 alleged “accomplices of the Ukrainian Armed Forces” in occupied Zaporizhia and Kherson Oblasts within the past week.[58]

Ukrainian officials stated on September 16-17 that Ukrainian partisans did not assassinate Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Prosecutor General Sergey Gorenko and Deputy Prosecutor General Yekaterina Steglenko. Ukrainian Luhansk Oblast Head Serhiy Haidai claimed that LNR internal divisions, specifically the rift between Gorenko and LNR Head Leonid Pasechnik, caused Gorenko’s death.[59] Ukrainian Presidential Advisor Mikhail Podolyak suggested that local organized criminal groups could have assassinated Gorenko or that Russian authorities may be purging witnesses of Russian war crimes.[60] The Ukrainian government has offered an official response to the assassination as of September 17.[61] Various proxy officials claimed on September 16-17 that Ukrainian “terrorists” or “gangs” assassinated Gorenko and Steglenko.
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Old 09-18-2022, 12:10 AM
 
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"Ukrainian officials stated on September 16-17 that Ukrainian partisans did not assassinate Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Prosecutor General Sergey Gorenko and Deputy Prosecutor General Yekaterina Steglenko. Ukrainian Luhansk Oblast Head Serhiy Haidai claimed that LNR internal divisions, specifically the rift between Gorenko and LNR Head Leonid Pasechnik, caused Gorenko’s death."

Russians are murdering one another?

Good grief.
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Old 09-18-2022, 05:34 AM
 
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Fascinated by the information that rifts in the Russian army are pitting some units against others.

Seems the Chechen forces are often stationed in the rear to keep Russian soldiers from deserting, and have been known to grab the loot that other Russians believe rightly belong to them. According to reports, this has resulted in gun battles at times.

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Old 09-18-2022, 06:09 AM
 
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General David Petraeus is of the opinion that the Russian army has been hollowed out and its officer corp decimated to the point that recovery will not be possible. It is too late, he says, for a general mobilization because they do not have training facilities or even weapons to give the new troops.
We have seen the Russia approach, which consists of heavy shelling, and while that does, indeed, destroy the targeted area, it does nothing to hold the territory, so the Ukrainians just come right back.

Gen Petraeus discusses the Russian retreat and gives his opinions of what is next in this CNN interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFOw...ab_channel=CNN
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Old 09-18-2022, 07:08 AM
 
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According to https://english.nv.ua/nation/foreign...-50270779.html

"Russia no longer has the capacity to turn the tide of war in its favor with conventional military means."

"The Kremlin, Russian Defense Ministry, and Rosgvardia (the Russian National Guard, typically used as riot police) are starting to realize their choice is between retreating and using nuclear weapons – something that would have genuinely unpredictable consequences."

Putin is expressing interest in peace talks, however he is not willing to consider withdrawing from Donbas and Crimea.

Ukraine's position is that "any peace talks with Russia are contingent on a complete withdrawal of Russian forces from all Ukrainian territories – including Donbas and Crimea."
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Old 09-18-2022, 07:34 AM
 
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He usually regurgitates propaganda, but he's also offered opinions in posts, like the one from a few months ago where he said after the Russian Donbas offensive Ukraine would be peacefully divided up with Russia getting most of it.

It aged so poorly he now seems to prefer sticking to copypasting propaganda.



"he" simply gives you access to sources outside of "your" routine propaganda circles. As you here pretty much are lopsided on information. So "he" simply translates, as not many here speak any other languages, information from "the other side". As such information a priory is not falling into the West generally accepted narrative, it is immediately proclaimed to be propaganda.
AUDITE ET ALTER PARS.

And, BTW, don't count chicken, until they hatch. War is by far not done and over. Kindly circle back AFTER that will happen, before making remarks. SE Ukraine WILL be part of Russia under Krimean Republic legal status, Western Ukraine WILL be under Poland and Transcarpathia WILL be either under Hungary or Slovakia. TBD.

Have decency, see what happens after the war end.
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Old 09-18-2022, 07:36 AM
 
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Oil workers began to die in a strange way behind the gas workers. Are purges of unnecessary witnesses continuing?

On September 1,
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Strange Deaths Continue. As I expected in"May". First, people associated with the gas died. Now the oil workers have begun to die.

Deaths of gas workers

Since the beginning of 2022, five top managers associated with the Russian gas industry have already died. The dead worked either directly in gas industry companies (Gazprom, Novatek), or in companies serving these companies (Astra Shipping, Gazprom Invest, Gazprombank). In all cases, investigators see signs of suicide. In another case, everything was limited to opening a computer and stealing a hard drive. Let us briefly list these cases.
January

30, Leonid Shulman, head of Gazprom Invest's transport service, was found dead in the bathroom of his own house in the village of Leninsky (Leningrad Region). There was a note next to him in which he complained of unbearable pain in his broken leg. He broke his leg during the New Year holidays and at the time of his death he wore the "Ilizarov apparatus", designed to splice bones.
In this "suicide" confuses two facts at once. Firstly, a Gazprom top manager can afford almost any painkiller. Secondly, at the end of 2021, Gazprom's security service conducted an inspection in the transport department of its "daughter".

February

On February 25, Aleksandr Tyuliakov, deputy general director of Gazprom's Unified Settlement Center (company's treasury) for corporate security, was found hanged in a garage attached to his own house in the village of Leninsky (Leningrad Region). They write that there was also a note near him, the contents of which the investigation did not disclose.
What is embarrassing about this "suicide" is that on the eve of Alexander Tyulakov's death, they saw him badly beaten.

April

18, Vladislav Avaev, former vice-president of Gazprombank, was found dead with his wife and daughter in his Moscow apartment. All three had gunshot wounds. According to investigators, Vladislav Avaev, having learned about his wife's infidelity, shot her and her daughter. Then he shot himself.
On April 19, a former member of the board, chief accountant of Novatek (resigned in 2015) and co-owner of Forbank (license revoked in 2021), Sergey Protosenya, was found dead along with his wife and daughter in a house located in the Spanish city of Lloret de Mar (province of Girona).

In these "suicides" the death of children is embarrassing. What are they for?
On April 26, Alexei Kharlamov, the head of the real estate department of Gazprom, at his dacha in the village of Sokhna near Moscow, had his computer opened and a hard drive stolen.

July
5, 2022, in the Morskie Terrasy cottage settlement near the Gulf of Finland in the Leningrad Region, the body of the founder and CEO of Astra Shipping, Yury Voronov, was found in a swimming pool near his own house with a gunshot wound to the head. The company, among other things, worked on the Arctic contracts of Gazprom.

Deaths of oil workers

Since September, oil workers began to die.
On September 1, 2022, the chairman of the board of directors of Lukoil, Ravil Maganov, fell out of the window of the sixth floor of the Central Clinical Hospital (CCH), where he was undergoing a routine examination. The oilman died at the scene from his injuries. He left no suicide notes.

Random not random?

All seven cases (of which six are fatal) are formally unrelated to each other.
However, it is impossible to get rid of the idea that there is still something in common between these cases. All seven people, one way or another, were connected with the oil and gas industry. Let me remind you that it is this industry that is the main earner of foreign currency for the Russian authorities.

It is also impossible to get rid of the idea that what is happening is very similar to what has already happened in the past in our country. In the fall of 1991, three high-ranking party functionaries died with a short break: Nikolai Kruchina, the manager of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Georgy Pavlov, the former manager of the affairs of the Central Committee of the CPSU, and Dmitry Lisovolik, the former head of the US sector of the international department of the Central Committee of the CPSU. All three died the same way - they fell out of the window. All three cases were framed as suicide.
However, they had in common not only a way of settling accounts with life. All three had to do with money. To the money of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). This money has not been found, by the way, so far. All three died very "on time". Before the collapse of the USSR. Just before the disappearance of party money. They probably knew too much. Were unnecessary witnesses.

Returning to the events of the current year. Remembering that Soviet past. Remembering the fate of Shchekochikhin, Tsepov, Litvinenko, Skripal. Or it is a question of search and punishment of "rats". Or we are talking about cleaning up unnecessary witnesses. Or both.
It seems that someone believes that we are on the verge of another collapse of the country. And on the sly, he wants to unhook the trailer from the country in his favor. And then, this is clearly not the last death among top managers close to money ...
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Old 09-18-2022, 07:41 AM
 
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Sounds like propaganda to me.



And you know that HOW? Amazon sells propaganda gauges now? You read treaties and know all the land lease conditions and caveats? Or, like red cape to the bull, the very moment you see "Moscow", even if source is Spanish editorial, it automatically becomes propaganda? You KNOW what will happen, after war ends?

Time will show. That is the one and only fair conclusion.
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Old 09-18-2022, 07:48 AM
 
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Uhh, CNN is a fake news site and now long in that history.
I said it doesn't have to be CNN. Choose any credible news agency of your liking. But an actual news gathering service with reporters. Don't just post fake news.
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Old 09-18-2022, 08:13 AM
 
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Oil workers began to die in a strange way behind the gas workers. Are purges of unnecessary witnesses continuing?
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Putin did announce a purge would happen, in his long speech at the beginning of the war. He mentioned there would be a “cleansing”.
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