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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.58%
No 244 50.83%
Unsure 46 9.58%
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Austin
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June 6th 1944 was the "second front, unless you count Italy in 1943. In 1942 Bomber Command was going into strikes of Germany. The USAAF, not having the escort fighter range, normally didn't go as far. But the air war did tie down large parts of the Luftwaffe making it unavailable to help in the German war against the Soviet Union.
You are correct. Bad date typo on my part.
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I wonder how many of these Russian posters will be swept up in the mobilization and sent to die at the front.
Maybe they get a bot deferment?
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:22 AM
 
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Ukraine is not a small country either...population 44 million...
they have an army of 200,000 and reserves 900,000 ...and they have been well trained
by the west since 2014 and are HIGHLY MOTIVATED....they are fighting for their lives...
Russia picked on a very very tough country...Ukrainians are tough people,
and they can hand a gun to every able bodied
person in Ukraine and have an army of 10 million or more easily...
however, no matter the "numbers" ....the key ingredient is providing Ukraine with more
HIMARS....killer drones....and heavy artillery.

US and NATO are already directly engaged with the Russians, and are pushing them back. Putin has mobilized 300,000 additional troops near the border, and has sent the message that they WILL USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS if necessary. I watched his speech, and his body language, facial expressions and demeanor are totally different than how he typically presents himself. He finished his remarks by warning that he is not bluffing. And I believe he means that.

Contrary to the western globalists propaganda you all gobble up like pigs eating slop, the intention of these globalist lunatics is to destroy Russia, and Putin understands this. It seems he’s made the decision along with his advisers that Russia won’t go down alone, but will take everyone down with them, if it comes down to that. What many of you don’t know is that there are lunatics who actually believe they can win a nuclear war with Russia, and they have been around a long time. During the days of the Cuban missile crisis, there were some at the Pentagon who were advising Kennedy on a nuclear first strike scenario that we could win, and escape with only 10 to 20 million US casualties. Thankfully, Kennedy was not a psychopathic maniac or none of us would likely be here right now.

But that’s the mindset of some of these lunatics … only 20 Million dead Americans! Ooh Ra! Let’s go? Total madness. These people are out of their minds. A limited nuclear war some of these psychopaths envision is not possible. The US nuclear Doctrine is MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION, and you can bet that’s Russia’s too. The moment one side sets off one nuke, this will unravel out of control very quickly.

We have nuclear assets surrounding Russia, and they know it. They also have nuclear assets able to strike major US population centers, from the east and west coast nuclear submarines, as well as intercontinental ballistic missiles. This isn’t a freaking video game.

Think. If your home was surrounded by hostiles, and you knew their intention was to kill you and your family, you’d kill as many of them with you as you could.

Basically, Putin has said to the west, Russia isn’t going to lose this war, and it is prepared to use whatever means necessary to that end, even if it means everybody loses. When surrender means death, there goes the option of surrender. Who would choose to surrender if it meant their death? Nope, they’ll unleash the entirety of their arsenal.

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Old 09-22-2022, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Am I the only recalling how Tzar Nicholas II utterly, utterly failed in carrying out a "partial mobilization" in 1914 and ended up sending poorly equipped, poorly led troops to their fate? For those who do not recall, this ended with the troops getting fed up and revolting - shooting first their officers, then the tzar.

Perhaps it's time for another autocrat to be reminded of how it's a bad idea to arm people who have no reason to like you.
Or they could just give every other soldier a rifle like at Stalingrad. When the guy ahead of you dies pick up his gun and move forward. Attribution to Enemy at the Gates. I don't know if that really happened but it sure seemed plausible for the Soviet army.
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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this is the end for Putin..

He will either end up surrendering all of Ukraine's territory back to them and accept defeat or he will be taken out by his inner circle to prevent a nuclear war..He's toast..
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Austin
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You’re out of your mind, just like the maniacs running this country and NATO. Stark raving lunatics, the entire lot of you.

US and NATO are already directly engaged with the Russians, and are pushing them back.
Prove it. Prove that US and other NATO forces are fighting the Russians in Ukraine. Or is this just your usual angry wild windmilling?


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Putin has mobilized 300,000 additional troops near the border, and has sent the message that they WILL USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS if necessary. I watched his speech, and his body language, facial expressions and demeanor are totally different than how he typically presents himself. He finished his remarks by warning that he is not bluffing. And I believe he means that.
Oh I see ... He said he wasn't bluffing. Well that's certainly proof he's not bluffing. Damn now I'm worried. I wish he hadn't said that. Off to dig a bunker now.

I hope you never play poker.

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Contrary to the western globalists propaganda you all gobble up like pigs eating slop, the intention of these globalist lunatics is to destroy Russia, and Putin understands this. It seems he’s made the decision along with his advisers that Russia won’t go down alone, but will take everyone down with them, if it comes down to that. What many of you don’t know is that there are lunatics who actually believe they can win a nuclear war with Russia, and they have been around a long time. During the days of the Cuban missile crisis, there were some at the Pentagon who were advising Kennedy on a nuclear first strike scenario that we could win, and escape with only 10 to 20 million US casualties. Thankfully, Kennedy was not a psychopathic maniac or none of us would likely be here right now.

But that’s the mindset of some of these lunatics … only 20 Million dead Americans! Ooh Ra! Let’s go? Total madness. These people are out of their minds. A limited nuclear war some of these psychopaths envision is not possible. The US nuclear Doctrine is MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION, and you can bet that’s Russia’s too. The moment one side sets off one nuke, this will unravel out of control very quickly.

Glass houses.
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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Oh I see ... He said he wasn't bluffing. Well that's certainly proof he's not bluffing. Damn now I'm worried. I wish he hadn't said that. Off to dig a bunker now.

I hope you never play poker.
Certain posters on this board are mostly useful as calibration. GNT has argued, with the same full-on fervor and arrogance, that the moon landing didn't happen.
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Old 09-22-2022, 11:15 AM
 
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Certain posters on this board are mostly useful as calibration. GNT has argued, with the same full-on fervor and arrogance, that the moon landing didn't happen.
Yikes.

Calibration. Yeah. In tech circles we call that sort of personal failure to modulate "going open loop" like in a phase-locked loop that accelerates wildly when unconstrained.
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Old 09-22-2022, 11:35 AM
 
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Prove it. Prove that US and other NATO forces are fighting the Russians in Ukraine. Or is this just your usual angry wild windmilling?
Advanced weapons systems are admitted to have been delivered to Ukraine on multiple occasions from the US. That’s not speculation, that’s a fact. Now, maybe this is just too much for you to figure out on your own, but these systems don’t operate themselves, nor is it likely for Ukrainian forces to consult owners manuals for instructions on how to operate them. These systems require trained specialists, and exactly where do you think those operators could be coming from?

Maybe, you should pull your head out and get some sunshine? If we were in a war with Mexico, and Russia was sending Mexico advanced Russian weapons systems to kill American forces, we’d certainly consider that DIRECT RUSSIAN INVOLVEMENT AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.

That is precisely what Putin said in his speech that you obviously didn’t listen to, but still feel compelled to flap your gums as usual. So, it really doesn’t matter what the street geniuses like you believe, it’s what Putin believes is the pertinent matter. HE called out US and NATO hostilities against Russian forces, as directly involved. And he is correct. This fact only seems to be a secret to you.
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Old 09-22-2022, 11:42 AM
 
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Certain posters on this board are mostly useful as calibration. GNT has argued, with the same full-on fervor and arrogance, that the moon landing didn't happen.
Yes, that’s very true. I certainly have. And we know where you stand on the matter, too. But it’s you who represents the calibration point, and apparently, all that is required is to convince someone to believe one asinine fairytale, and you’ve captured them for life, and they’ll believe anything you tell them after that.

Congratulations.
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