Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Krasny Liman (09/22/22): The third offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Yesterday, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Krasnolimansk direction launched a third offensive (the first two were successfully repulsed by the city's garrison).
The main blow this time is delivered to the north-west of the city, bypassing from the side of the Oskol reservoir and under the cover of artillery located behind it.
As a result, after taking control of N. p. Scars and exit to n.p. Drobyshevo, today the enemy tried to develop his success towards the settlement. Redkorub (up to two companies for 25 armored combat vehicles), but was met by intense fire from Russian artillery and retreated back to Rubtsy.
Nevertheless, by the evening he is trying to gain a foothold in Koroviy Yar (the result is still not completely clear) and thus the main idea of \u200b\u200bthe enemy is already clearly visible, and therefore it is very likely that tomorrow the critical part of the third assault on Krasny Liman will come.
But no matter how hard it is today in Krasny Liman for volunteers from the Kuban and soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the main result of almost two weeks of fighting for this key city is that despite the numerical superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they did not allow the enemy to repeat the success that they achieved in the area of Balakliya-Izyum. At the same time, the enemy’s losses in this direction have already exceeded the losses for the entire time of the Balakley-Izyum offensive operation.
-------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ---------------- in Russia: lawlessness of "military commissars on the ground" threatens the security of the country
(LIGHT VERSION)
Mobilizationsample of 1904, and the actions that ultimately led to the first Russian revolution ...
In addition to the previous post, it seems to me that the most correct decision for today should be CANCELING incorrect agendas, an investigation into those military registration and enlistment offices where mass violations were committed, with organizational conclusions regarding the leadership of these units, with ... transferring them to the front.
P.S. By the way, recently the PMC "Wagner" has got very good units, already popularly called "penalty boxes". It seems to me that there is a place for such military commissars. No, not immediately, of course, ... but after two weeks of preparation ...
-------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------
[Forwarded from Andrey Medvedev]
Colleagues correctly write about the problems of the current mobilization. And in fact, the situation is such that either the relevant structures will solve these problems, or against the background of the lack of a solution, we will get a bunch of new problems.
For example, I am aware of cases when veterans of the CTO in the North Caucasus, participants in hostilities, people who are extremely motivated, did not get into the lists of those mobilized, some of them even managed to go and take part in the SVO as volunteers in the units of the DPR. But at the same time, the lists include people who are normally over 50, they are reserve officers, but have not served a day. Although they have the corresponding military registration specialty (in the specific case of electronic warfare). True, a man of Soviet hardening. He said, if necessary, I'll go. And yet I would like to ask the staff of the military registration and enlistment office: did you really think well that this particular person is missing at the front?
The situation suggests that either the lists in the military registration and enlistment offices have not been updated for a long time, or at the level of performers, as colleagues rightly write, the approach was completely indifferent. No one read into personal affairs, did not look to see if a person had a skill, but simply raked in broad nonsense, just to make a plan.
Than it is fraught with it is necessary to explain? It's obvious to me, but I'll explain.
- in the combat zone there will be people who have neither experience, nor motivation, nor even proper physical condition
- the effectiveness of their actions will be extremely small, and the probability of death or injury, on the contrary, is high.
- Wrong actions in the framework of the mobilization and subsequent training of units will become the basis of social tension.
Well, these are, offhand, the three most obvious points. However, they are obvious, probably not to everyone.
Let's say, in Buryatia, as many as 70 fathers with many children were sent home, who were initially called up. Seventy! This is a completely objective indicator of the quality of the work of military registration and enlistment offices. However, as well as the quality of the work of executive authorities. Understood quickly.
But such mobilization work leads to panic in the rear, hysterical moods and, I repeat, wild social tension. And, of course, it gives the ground for the work of the CIPSO and Ukrainian propaganda. As well as the forces that want to weaken Russia through the buildup of internal discontent. And what did you think, since Navalny is in prison, that's it?
However, it is good that all the problems of mobilization become immediately known to everyone. This, of course, is not to the liking of those responsible comrades who are pushing ahead with the plan in order to report as soon as possible that the citizens have been mobilized. But it's time to understand that the time for reports and presentations is over. Everything. Don't need a plan. We need to do a good job, honestly, with high quality.
I suppose that in the future we will face a situation where in training centers, instead of combat training and coordination, reservists will be taught to march and sing songs. And instead of learning the methods and tactics of modern warfare, they will be taught how to shoot down a drone from a machine gun or quickly put on a gas mask.
But I suppose that we will learn about this very quickly from the reservists, as soon as we learn about current problems, and with the help of a civilian reaction, we will be able to improve the situation there as well.
If it is mobilization, then it should become the basis for strengthening the army. Not the cause of the upheaval.
Ah the political risks of trying to force people to fight an unpopular losing war of conquest. <cough>Vietnam<cough> American politicians learned not to use the draft in their next couple stupid wars. Thats all they learned. Not to forgo stupid in first place, because its just too profitable for some I guess.
But Putins heart wants what Putins heart wants, damn the price to those actually having to suffer the thing. He will be in safe lap of luxury waiting it out and award widows posthumous awards of valor and give hollow patriotic speeches.
I have followed Peterson for a while.
He's a bit of a psychological shock Jock. He loves to shock people with outrageous statements. Very qualified to speak of human behavior and human nature, but he's not qualified to speak of an outcome of a war of any sort.
"Win?!", he says, "What would we ever win?!" Then he goes on and makes no sense.
Maybe he make no sense to you, but that is a reflection of your capacity to understand.
He’s asking a very profound question that maybe you should try to answer? Maybe then, you might better understand the point he’s making?
The question is “what would we ever win”? It’s a good question. We can draw a number of conclusions from answering that question. Do the participants win? You know, the dead and wounded soldiers on both sides … do they win? Do their loved ones and family members win? Do the civilians who have their lives lost, or their homes and communities destroyed, win? Do the citizens of the warring countries win? Let’s take it one step further … let’s say, Russia “loses”, and is forced out of Ukraine, and withdraws. Since the conflict occurred and was isolated to Ukrainian territory, and all of the destruction of the infrastructure occurred in Ukraine, did Ukraine win? No. Everyone directly involved with war, loses. It’s the “winner” who is deemed to have lost less, and the loser who lost more. But what do we, the American people stand to win? We lost Billions of dollars. We win nothing. We lost too.
But lurking in the shadows … that’s where you will find the winners. The bankers win. The weapons manufacturers win. The construction firms who will come in after, and rebuild the destroyed infrastructure, with funds loaned by the bankers, they all win. That’s who wins … and that is the deeper meaning to the question you seem to think makes no sense. But it does make sense, when you do understand.
The greater purpose to asking the question is that it leads us to the conclusions reached by answering it. And this applies to ALL WARS, as implied by a book written in 1935, by Major General Smedly Butler, titled “War is a Racket”. You should read it. More things will make sense to you.
Professor Peterson is trying to get you to think about who wins in war. And the answer is nobody, other than those who instigate them, and stand safely in the distance, far from harms way, who stand to reap great financial rewards for all of the death, destruction and suffering they cause. That’s who wins. Everybody else loses. EVERYBODY LOSES
Have you noticed the tone of disgust creeping into ISW's reports? They seem to be revolted that Russia is just throwing their troops in to be slaughtered and causing needless deaths on the other side as well.
It sounds like you have been in a coma for the last 30 years. Russia is not a main player in anything. The collapse of the Soviet Union ended Russia's sphere of influence. They are obviously trying to reestablish a sphere of influence and this is the result. It's obviously not going well for them.
Not well at all.
Even nations that have been in Russia's sphere of influence are pulling away.
First, don’t be so naive to think you know where military personnel are, or operating, based on the news. But aside that basic fact, it DOES NOT MATTER “where”, does it? If you provide someone a weapon, and you teach them how to use it, and they kill people with that weapon, you are by definition, involved in that killing, regardless of where you delivered the weapon, or provided the training.
Now, you want to go back to what happened in Korea? Viet Nam? Really? News Flash, you’re referring to the USSR, which is a nation that no longer exists and hasn’t for decades. Furthermore, that was another era, historically referred to as the “Cold War”, which involved the US and Soviet Union using proxies against each other all over the world, from Afghanistan to to Nicaragua, and everywhere in between. But it’s particularly noteworthy to highlight the fact that much of the military activities of the United States over your entire lifetime and before you were born, has taken place on the other side of the world, and geographically far from the US, while much of it unfolded near, or in Russia’s back yard. I’m not going to list all of the places and conflicts, as it would be a long list.
So, let’s not distract ourselves from the here and now, with all of this nonsense about what took place “back then”, while conveniently ignoring the fact that what is occurring in this “here and now” is taking place on soil that WAS part of the Soviet Empire back then, or that it involves lands and peoples who are historically tied to Russia long before the United States even existed. OK? Let’s be honest and accurate.
In other words, ignore any arguments that point out how "idiotic" yours are.
Even nations that have been in Russia's sphere of influence are pulling away.
The Belorussian leader, who is being propped up by Putin, while allowing his territory to be used, has refused to supply troops. And Belorus is all but an autonomous Republic of Russia. The Kazakh leader, in the same situation, has been somewhat critical of the war.
Have you noticed the tone of disgust creeping into ISW's reports? They seem to be revolted that Russia is just throwing their troops in to be slaughtered and causing needless deaths on the other side as well.
This report devoted several paragraphs to Russian mobilization efforts and how they are rounding up students, IT folks, and even protestors, men with no military experience whatsoever.
No wonder the airports, train stations, and border crossings are jammed with Russian men trying to get the hell out.
Last edited by GotHereQuickAsICould; 09-23-2022 at 08:15 AM..
With the steady exodus of men, either to the war or escaping the war, seems that when their war war ends, Russia will have a shortage of male workers.
But since China, and India may be their only major customers in the future, perhaps they will have men enough to cover these orders.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
