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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.58%
No 244 50.83%
Unsure 46 9.58%
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Old 05-29-2022, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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I suspect that as long as Russia can sell i's oil, it can continue waging war.
Selling oil and gas hasn't stopped their economy from contracting. The oil and gas revenues will likely not be nearly high enough to continue running Russia and continue a military campaign in Ukraine. Modern wars are abominably expensive, and Russia is about to find that out very soon, if they haven't already.
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Old 05-29-2022, 06:25 AM
 
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Complete waste of life and property, and it's going impact everyone with continued food and energy inflation.
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Old 05-29-2022, 06:34 AM
 
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When was the last time Russia had a successful military campaign?
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Old 05-29-2022, 07:03 AM
 
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When was the last time Russia had a successful military campaign?
Plenty.

They invaded Ukraine in 2014 and took over Crimea and the Donbas regions. Their puppet governments have been able to occupy those lands ever since and, if the current invasion succeeds, they will expand the occupied territories further.

They invaded and installed puppet governments in parts of George, Chechnya, and Moldova.
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Old 05-29-2022, 07:10 AM
 
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Selling oil and gas hasn't stopped their economy from contracting. The oil and gas revenues will likely not be nearly high enough to continue running Russia and continue a military campaign in Ukraine. Modern wars are abominably expensive, and Russia is about to find that out very soon, if they haven't already.
Russia knows it. Putin has asked for sanctions to lifted in exchange for him stopping the food hostage situation he created in the Black Sea.

https://www.politico.eu/article/vlad...tions-removed/


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Old 05-29-2022, 07:12 AM
 
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Plenty.

They invaded Ukraine in 2014 and took over Crimea and the Donbas regions. Their puppet governments have been able to occupy those lands ever since and, if the current invasion succeeds, they will expand the occupied territories further.

They invaded and installed puppet governments in parts of George, Chechnya, and Moldova.
Yeah, well, those operations were comparatively tiny in scale. Remember Finland? Remember Afghanistan? Remember what pathetic failures those were?
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Old 05-29-2022, 07:23 AM
 
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Yeah, well, those operations were comparatively tiny in scale. Remember Finland? Remember Afghanistan? Remember what pathetic failures those were?
Finland lost 9% of their territory to Russia and had to sign a peace agreement. Russia suffered heavy casualties but they get to keep the stolen land forever. That can't be a victory for Finland.

Back to Ukraine. If Ukraine loses, those occupied territories will be lost forever. Furthermore, Russia won't stop there. In the future they will invade Ukraine again and again.

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Old 05-29-2022, 07:45 AM
 
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SE Ukraine will be peacefully handed to Russia, as the result of coming Ukraine/Russia treaty.
Western Ukraine will go under Poland and Duda will have golden monuments of him, erected in major Polish cities.
Transcarpathia will go under Hungary.
Transnistria will join Russia and Moldova is likely to volunteer too.
What's left of Ukraine will be under Russian protectorate, with military fangs removed.


Mind day and time this was said. Don't argue with this, just mark day and time and circle back in about several months, after Donbas operation will crush bulk of Ukraine forces and coupe d'atate will be looming on horizon.
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Old 05-29-2022, 07:59 AM
 
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More Russian tanks destroyed. The invaders ran for their lives.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukOkUtiEUK4
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:05 AM
 
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Tanks are unreliable death traps. I don't get why modern armies keep using them.
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