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Old 06-12-2022, 11:44 AM
 
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A weird statement or threat from the main Zelensky adviser:


Arestovich explained why the West should supply Kiev with more weapons.

"Let's say if Putin wins. And another 500 thousand Ukrainian army will join the 1.5 million Russian army. Everyone has seen how we can fight. And all this will then go to Europe. And then where will the funny European troops be able to stop the union of Ukraine and Russia, if that happens, plus Belarus?", — says the adviser to the head of Zelensky's Office.

"Union of Ukraine and Russia"? From the mouth of the representative of Kiev, it sounds especially interesting.


https://t.me/sputnik/6209

Neuling, you can't imagine what Lucille Arestovich already told within all these years.

He publicly admitted about all his previous lies, that that's what Ukrainian propaganda is all about, otherwise Ukrainian state can't exist, then came up with new lies, then he was saying that "Mariupol will never fall, period." Read my lips sort of.

If I start looking for each and every quote of this genius, your jaw will drop.

Some Ukrainian army guy said that the whole bunch of them ( the veterans) are considering to come back from the front lines and to hang this very Arestovich for the amount of BS he keeps on producing.

And Russian military observers do not refer to him in any other way but "Lucille" even though he has some military credentials.

Because, well...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15YqQoPmQzU


They are all good actors there, and while the West is quick to pick on any escapades in the Russian government, ( who said what,) they never notice such things about Ukrainian government.

But Russians do, so they are utterly amused by Arestovich and not only.

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Old 06-12-2022, 11:54 AM
 
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Neuling, you can't imagine what Lucille Arestovich already told within all these years.

He publicly admitted about all his previous lies, that that's what Ukrainian propaganda is all about, otherwise Ukrainian state can't exist, then came up with new lies, then he was saying that "Mariupol will never fall, period." Read my lips sort of.

If I start looking for each and every quote of this genius, your jaw will drop.

Some Ukrainian army guy said that the whole bunch of them ( the veterans) are considering to come back from the front lines and hang this very Arestovich for the amount of BS he keeps on producing.

And Russian military observers do not refer to him in any other way but "Lucille" even though he has some military credentials.

Because, well...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15YqQoPmQzU


They are all good actors there, and while the West is quick to pick on any escapades in the Russian government, ( who said what,) they never notice such things about Ukrainian government.

But Russians do, so they are utterly amused by Arestovich and not only.



It's been said that, in times of crisis, countries can be run only by despots or clowns. It also been said that, each country has a leader, it deserves.
So you got a clown for leader and travesty (in Europe, travesty was a word for a male, performing female roles in theaters) for propaganda bullhorn. Lyusia Arestovich makes up BS on a fly. No one takes him seriously, really.
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Old 06-12-2022, 12:06 PM
 
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Speaking of war casualties.
From source, I trust, combined "Russian" irreversible losses in manpower, that being killed and not capable to return back to active duty after trauma, are somewhere between 15 to 20 000 people. As I said - that number is dead and those, who had wounds serious enough to not be able to serve again. Killed are somewhere around 4 000 for LNR/DNR and around same number for Russian troops.

This, roughly, corresponds with the British estimates.

Numbers, posted on Ukrainian Ministry of Defense site daily, if you pay attention, are estimates ONLY.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9At_C3tfVrk&t=110s


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He is married and has two children: a son and a daughter. The daughter continues to live in Ukraine[3].
In 2004, he took part in the first Maidan (Orange Revolution) and was the commandant of the Maidan in Sumy[3][4].
In 2014 he moved from Sumy to Sevastopol[3][7].
In 2018, he was included in the database of thePeacemakerfor calls to violate the territorial integrity of Ukraine
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In 2022, she covers the special operation of the armed forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine, participates as an invited expert in the Full Contact and Solovyov LIVE programs on the radio stationVesti FM[16][17][18][19], in the program "GREAT GAME" onChannel One[20][21], as well as in the program "What does it mean" on the TV channelRBC[22]. Gave interview to TV channelRussia Today[7].
Analytics on Ukrainian topics from his Youtube and Telegram channels were repeatedly posted in the articles of the online newspaperVzglyad.ru[23][24][25][26], media holding "Don-Media"[27], newspaper "Trud"[28], newspaper "Argumenty Nedeli"[29], news agency "BELTA"[30 ], the Internet publicationRegnum,[31]the portal Baltija.eu[32]the projectEconomics Todayand the publicationNezavisimaya Gazeta,[3
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Old 06-12-2022, 01:56 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Disagree about the comparison of Russia with Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, and Yemen. Those countries are small and Russia is the largest country in the world with extensive resources including oil, minerals, and plenty of agricultural land across several climatic zones. Russia is better set to be self sufficient in just about everything. There was a joke during the Soviet era where a Soviet diplomat brags to the rest of the world - "Comrades, we have everything that you can imagine!" That, of course, is not true but it isn't too far off the mark. So not to say that they will be successful at going at it alone, but Russia has the best chance to succeed. And it can still trade with China, India, and other countries to get products that it doesn't have.
Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you? And you have to be at least partially right.
But there will be some limitations:
China's biggest import in the electrical category is.....computer chips, $390B. So China doesn't have those to spare. And Taiwan won't be sending them.
Russia's biggest import item is "Machinery including computers" .... $54B And Vehicles at $26.8B.


Russia is in deep Ka-Ka now and the sanctions will not be lifted for a very long time. They will be able to sell oil, but then so will Syria and Venezuela, and that has not saved those countries. They are both firmly second class.

Russia is also farther down the road of demographic collapse than most other countries. 25% of Russian men die before the age of 55. This compares with the world average of 7%. Their population today is the same as it was in 1989, only now it is decreasing every year.
Heavy smoking, heavy drinking and substance abuse make the fertility rate of only 1.5 much, much worse than it would be in a more average country.


I wish all Russian non-combatants well. But as for the country itself, I want to see it so broke that it will never be able to put another combat aircraft in the air or another combat ship to sea. The world has had enough of that country.
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Old 06-12-2022, 02:18 PM
 
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Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you? And you have to be at least partially right.
But there will be some limitations:
China's biggest import in the electrical category is.....computer chips, $390B. So China doesn't have those to spare. And Taiwan won't be sending them.
Russia's biggest import item is "Machinery including computers" .... $54B And Vehicles at $26.8B.


Russia is in deep Ka-Ka now and the sanctions will not be lifted for a very long time. They will be able to sell oil, but then so will Syria and Venezuela, and that has not saved those countries. They are both firmly second class.

Russia is also farther down the road of demographic collapse than most other countries. 25% of Russian men die before the age of 55. This compares with the world average of 7%. Their population today is the same as it was in 1989, only now it is decreasing every year.
Heavy smoking, heavy drinking and substance abuse make the fertility rate of only 1.5 much, much worse than it would be in a more average country.


I wish all Russian non-combatants well. But as for the country itself, I want to see it so broke that it will never be able to put another combat aircraft in the air or another combat ship to sea. The world has had enough of that country.
Yes, Russia has that demographic problem that you describe. But that is a slow deterioration process and it still has a large population of many millions. It would take a couple of decades to make itself a serious problem. And while slow moving, I think that is Russia's most critical problem. It could end up like Canada or Australia with huge territories but small populations in them.
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Old 06-12-2022, 02:21 PM
 
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Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you? And you have to be at least partially right.
But there will be some limitations:
China's biggest import in the electrical category is.....computer chips, $390B. So China doesn't have those to spare. And Taiwan won't be sending them.
Russia's biggest import item is "Machinery including computers" .... $54B And Vehicles at $26.8B.


Russia is in deep Ka-Ka now and the sanctions will not be lifted for a very long time. They will be able to sell oil, but then so will Syria and Venezuela, and that has not saved those countries. They are both firmly second class.

Russia is also farther down the road of demographic collapse than most other countries. 25% of Russian men die before the age of 55. This compares with the world average of 7%. Their population today is the same as it was in 1989, only now it is decreasing every year.
Heavy smoking, heavy drinking and substance abuse make the fertility rate of only 1.5 much, much worse than it would be in a more average country.


I wish all Russian non-combatants well. But as for the country itself, I want to see it so broke that it will never be able to put another combat aircraft in the air or another combat ship to sea. The world has had enough of that country.
Russia will continue to be dangerous for a long time to the detriment of Ukraine and other neighboring countries. But in the long run, things will only get worse for Russia. Good thing vodka is cheap which makes living in a country with no future bearable.
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Old 06-12-2022, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Yes, Russia has that demographic problem that you describe. But that is a slow deterioration process and it still has a large population of many millions. It would take a couple of decades to make itself a serious problem. And while slow moving, I think that is Russia's most critical problem. It could end up like Canada or Australia with huge territories but small populations in them.
The same demographic problem happens to affect all rich countries. To a point, Russia has it easier, Putin can make whatever laws he wants without any need to fight all the governors or Supreme Court.
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Old 06-12-2022, 02:34 PM
 
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I hope some heads roll over the utter failure that sanctioning Russia has been. So our economy suffers but the Russian invasion continues. When will we hold the politicians responsible for the sanctions against Russia?
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Old 06-12-2022, 02:47 PM
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I hope some heads roll over the utter failure that sanctioning Russia has been. So our economy suffers but the Russian invasion continues. When will we hold the politicians responsible for the sanctions against Russia?
How is our economy suffering because of sanctions? If you are in Europe, maybe. But not the US.

High food prices and energy prices are a result of the war, not sanctions. There could be no sanctions with the same result. And some of the high food prices are because Russia is blockading the Black Sea and refusing to let Ukrainian grain out. They are holding Africa and Asia hostage for food.
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Old 06-12-2022, 02:49 PM
 
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Yes, Russia has that demographic problem that you describe. But that is a slow deterioration process and it still has a large population of many millions. It would take a couple of decades to make itself a serious problem. And while slow moving, I think that is Russia's most critical problem. It could end up like Canada or Australia with huge territories but small populations in them.
Well, if anything multiple Eastern European countries have it much worse in regards to the demographics issue.
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