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Old 05-25-2022, 06:58 PM
 
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Originally Posted by swake View Post
I had this same exact conversion a couple of weeks ago with a friend who was a Marine. And he said you would do just fine. It's THE SAME GUN.

Other specific differences are the folding stock, which many AR-15s often have anyway and the M-16/AR-15 (which is what the. AR-15 really is) has a 16" barrel vs the M4 with a 14" barrel with a flash suppressor.

That's it. Those are the differences. The military versions have a fire selector and a firing pin that allows fully automatic fire, which soldiers are trained to only use rarely so you don't waste ammunition. Most military guns don't even have full auto selectors, just burst fire so they don't waste ammo.

We have so many AR-15s out in America because we have so many boys with small equipment that need a scary looking gun to feel big. They just want to be Cosplay soldiers to compensate.

Just like this sicko shooter felt small from being bullied over a lisp all his life and needed a gun to make him feel strong.

Here's a nice article on how easy it is turn an AR-15 into a full fledged M-16.

https://www.recoilweb.com/turning-yo...16-150631.html
The AR is an excellent hunting rifle.

 
Old 05-25-2022, 07:02 PM
 
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Blunt-force cartridges are possible.

Blunt-force cartridges have 40-grain .44 or .45 caliber non-fragmenting bullets that fire at 1000 feet-per-second. And so those blunt-force cartridges are about one-quarter the power of full-power handgun cartridges. Then the reduced power, combined with the large diameter, limits wound depth.

But the public is not going to use blunt-force cartridges unless the police use them. The police would have to lead the trend.

One design uses either 44 Special, 45 ACP, or 45 Long with an aluminum bullet. But a center-drilled bushing is crimped in the cartridge case for correct combustion of a reduced powder charge. Then the powder charge is similar to the charge for a 25 ACP. I suppose that the aluminum bullet should be a weak cast alloy with a full copper jacket.


Now security for schools could be locking security doors on each room
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Old 05-25-2022, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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You are either a citizen or a subject.
Uh, no.
A citizen, by definition, IS a subject.
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
Americans / non-citizens ARE sovereigns, though.
". . . at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the [American] people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . ."
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z

Restating: American people are sovereigns under the republican form. They retain all their endowed rights.
The government is their agent, helping secure their endowed rights - and nothing more.
BUT
If you consent to be governed, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I normally don't comment on Mass shootings and guns because it is far to upsetting for me to do so. I did for awhile speak on the subject of gun control, as I believe it needs to have been put in place years ago. However speaking about it fell on deaf ears and it was highly upsetting to me, and I did not like the way I was feeling so I stopped. However I believe I am ready to fully participate in doing my part to take this issue on again. I have a cousin who had 3 daughters at Columbine High School in April 1999 on the day of the massacre. Thankfully all of them made it out safely but it was hours and hours before my cousin and his wife knew if they were dead or alive. I was in Germany that day as I worked for an airline and was watching the reports of the shooting on TV. I was a nervous wreck when I heard it was Columbine as I knew my cousin's kids went to school there. I had no way of knowing how his kids were and had to work the flight back to Atlanta under the worst stress I've ever felt.

It disgusts me in all these 23 years since Columbine nothing has been done. The shootings have gotten worse and the scum in the Congress does nothing at all to even remotely put a stop to them. It is blatantaly obvious why this is going on and only a complete fool can't figure it out for themselvles. No civilized country that cares about its citizens especially its children would allow these slaughters to continue but the USA does. Notice how the Congress can't even pass a law to limit who can get a gun, because they will not deal with background check demands. Even that is to much for them to deal with. I personally would like to tell Rick Scott the jackass politician in the state I live in Florida, and the weasel Ted Cruz what they can do with their No votes, on controlling guns ownership in this country. The rest of the losers in Congress know who they are, and I think everyone that votes to do nothing needs to be publically outed on the news, so we all know who we are dealing with.

We sit back and do absolutely nothing and think saying our thoughts and prayers are with the family. Let me tell you that does absolutely nothing for the families. My cousin and his wife and especially thier 3 daughters will certainly tell you that. In fact at this late date in our history of mass shootings it is very disrespectful to say the comment, because we all know there will be more and more shootings to follow. I'm completely ashamed to be from this country
 
Old 05-25-2022, 07:12 PM
 
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The authors of the Constitution TOLD us what the purpose of the 2a is:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..."

Salvador Ramos was not a member of a well-regulated militia, as far as I know.
Agree. Additionally, the Second Amendment does not address the right to use firearms in self-defense.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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'Why are we willing to live with this carnage?': Biden demands action on guns after Texas school shooting.
Of course, the vegetable in chief would demand "gun-control". What totalitarian police state wants the yokels shooting back at them?
Why are we tolerating impotent governments that wring their hands and quiver when leftists go on rampages, riots, and destroy monuments ?
Oh, right, no history before socialism is allowed.
My bad.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Agree. Additionally, the Second Amendment does not address the right to use firearms in self-defense.
What part of the "people's right to bear arms" do you not comprehend?
Oh - you're unaware of the difference between PEOPLE and CITIZENS.

People, under the republican form of government, are born equal (before the law - none higher) and have Creator endowed rights to life, liberty, and absolute ownership of private property (among other rights), and that governments are instituted to secure these rights.

BUT citizens (who have consented to be governed) have mandatory civic duties (like "militia duty") that abrogate endowed rights. If one is obligated to train, fight, and die on command, one certainly does NOT have a right to life and liberty. But do not be alarmed, it's not involuntary servitude, saith the Supreme Court.


In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".
= = = = =
CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
- - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1
. . .
The rights of the individual / national / non-citizen / inhabitant / non-resident are not derived from government, but are Creator endowed... (i.e., republican form of government)
But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry. Why? Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc. That’s the consequence of migrating to their democratic form of government, where a majority can legally persecute a minority.

IN SHORT, the second amendment is cleverly worded, conflating two mutually exclusive groups - sovereign people and subject citizens (the militia) - and confusing the sheeple.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 07:25 PM
 
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I normally don't comment on Mass shootings and guns because it is far to upsetting for me to do so. I did for awhile speak on the subject of gun control, as I believe it needs to have been put in place years ago. However speaking about it fell on deaf ears and it was highly upsetting to me, and I did not like the way I was feeling so I stopped. However I believe I am ready to fully participate in doing my part to take this issue on again. I have a cousin who had 3 daughters at Columbine High School in April 1999 on the day of the massacre. Thankfully all of them made it out safely but it was hours and hours before my cousin and his wife knew if they were dead or alive. I was in Germany that day as I worked for an airline and was watching the reports of the shooting on TV. I was a nervous wreck when I heard it was Columbine as I knew my cousin's kids went to school there. I had no way of knowing how his kids were and had to work the flight back to Atlanta under the worst stress I've ever felt.

It disgusts me in all these 23 years since Columbine nothing has been done. The shootings have gotten worse and the scum in the Congress does nothing at all to even remotely put a stop to them. It is blatantaly obvious why this is going on and only a complete fool can't figure it out for themselvles. No civilized country that cares about its citizens especially its children would allow these slaughters to continue but the USA does. Notice how the Congress can't even pass a law to limit who can get a gun, because they will not deal with background check demands. Even that is to much for them to deal with. I personally would like to tell Rick Scott the jackass politician in the state I live in Florida, and the weasel Ted Cruz what they can do with their No votes, on controlling guns ownership in this country. The rest of the losers in Congress know who they are, and I think everyone that votes to do nothing needs to be publically outed on the news, so we all know who we are dealing with.

We sit back and do absolutely nothing and think saying our thoughts and prayers are with the family. Let me tell you that does absolutely nothing for the families. My cousin and his wife and especially thier 3 daughters will certainly tell you that. In fact at this late date in our history of mass shootings it is very disrespectful to say the comment, because we all know there will be more and more shootings to follow. I'm completely ashamed to be from this country
And what would you do? Take guns and protection away from law abiding citizens? That is what is usually suggested.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Originally Posted by Jimrob1 View Post
I normally don't comment on Mass shootings and guns because it is far to upsetting for me to do so. I did for awhile speak on the subject of gun control, as I believe it needs to have been put in place years ago. However speaking about it fell on deaf ears and it was highly upsetting to me, and I did not like the way I was feeling so I stopped. However I believe I am ready to fully participate in doing my part to take this issue on again. I have a cousin who had 3 daughters at Columbine High School in April 1999 on the day of the massacre. Thankfully all of them made it out safely but it was hours and hours before my cousin and his wife knew if they were dead or alive. I was in Germany that day as I worked for an airline and was watching the reports of the shooting on TV. I was a nervous wreck when I heard it was Columbine as I knew my cousin's kids went to school there. I had no way of knowing how his kids were and had to work the flight back to Atlanta under the worst stress I've ever felt.

It disgusts me in all these 23 years since Columbine nothing has been done. The shootings have gotten worse and the scum in the Congress does nothing at all to even remotely put a stop to them. It is blatantaly obvious why this is going on and only a complete fool can't figure it out for themselvles. No civilized country that cares about its citizens especially its children would allow these slaughters to continue but the USA does. Notice how the Congress can't even pass a law to limit who can get a gun, because they will not deal with background check demands. Even that is to much for them to deal with. I personally would like to tell Rick Scott the jackass politician in the state I live in Florida, and the weasel Ted Cruz what they can do with their No votes, on controlling guns ownership in this country. The rest of the losers in Congress know who they are, and I think everyone that votes to do nothing needs to be publically outed on the news, so we all know who we are dealing with.

We sit back and do absolutely nothing and think saying our thoughts and prayers are with the family. Let me tell you that does absolutely nothing for the families. My cousin and his wife and especially thier 3 daughters will certainly tell you that. In fact at this late date in our history of mass shootings it is very disrespectful to say the comment, because we all know there will be more and more shootings to follow. I'm completely ashamed to be from this country

You can move out of Florida into California or NYC. That is something that can be done by you. You can vote a Democrat, but that means you'd need a majority of people agreeing with you. Having said that, there is only one thing that can be done meaningfully in a short time. That is to repeal "Gun Free Zone" Federal law.


I guess the Congress can also very quickly redirect 40 Billion given to Ukraine to every American school to boost their security.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 07:37 PM
 
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Entire list violates the 2nd Amendment, and any politician who got behind even some of it would lose their next election.
Pretty much this. I just explained in another thread why the government can't ban universities from offering certain courses, we have this thing called the First Amendment. Well, for this topic, we have this thing called the Second Amendment.

No body wants mass shootings to happen: conservatives, liberal, moderate... it doesn't matter, none want them. And nobody knows how to solve it. Every time something like this happens, people kick around ideas from gun control to mental health issues and argue with each other and nothing ever gets done. I think that's because, despite everyone's best intentions, there really isn't a good solution in any of one those stances. And in a few weeks, it will all kind of fade away as other concerns pop up and the idea of stopping mass shootings will be on the back burner again. Until the next mass shooting.

I almost wonder if it would help for Congress to put together a non-partisan committee simply to address gun violence and mass shootings in particular. Not just have this topic addressed as one of many subjects by House Committee of oversight and Reform. A committee just dedicated to the topic of gun violence and mass shootings. The committee could form or work with existing think tanks as well as existing government agencies, mental health professionals, law enforcement departments, and non-profits including ones like the NRA, ABA, and NEA to come up with some real solutions. It won't be easy since so many of those groups don't see eye to eye, but, perhaps, but working together something instead of bickering and then forgetting, something can be done to help prevent or stop these attacks.

And if there is such a committee already... they need to stop putzing around and get to work.
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