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The first enforcers of gin control in the United States were the Klan and the first form of gun control was the black codes which prohibited black people from owning guns. The black codes were put in place because the democrats wanted to restrict the freedoms of black people after the North won the civil war. For all the prattle about "reasonable" or "common sense" gun laws put forth by gun control advocates, their movement was created to spread true white supremacy and restrict the freedom of law abiding citizens. There are no reasonable gun laws. There are only freedom loving citizens and then there are anti American authoritarians that want to take away someone's freedom and right to defend themselves.
Two days ago now, we had another mass murder shotting and one again, high capacity magazines of 30 rounds of ammunition were used. Why in the world should 30 rounds clips be allowed. If you can not shoot your target with a using a five round clip (I'd compromise with 10), I can tell you who needs more time at the range. I've shot a gun with Boys Scouts numerous times and we either had single shot rifles or five round clips at best. I do not know why we are so adverse to banning 30 round magazines in this country.
30 rounds too much, 15 better, no make it 10, no make it 5, 5 is safer.... on and on until ban on semi-auto rifle and handguns.........just like Canada.
what about a 22 rimfire, how many rounds allowed?
30 rounds or more for recreation, if you can afford or find the ammo. Reloading components and some bullets are not to be found. Prices more than quadrupled on some components.
Yes, firearms are used for recreation. Fun to shoot a gun at targets, paper, tin cans or water jugs.
mags can be changed quicker than a blink, so a 5 round mag buys you nothing. Someone going to enforce the use of hi cap mags used by the drug cartels and ms-13 and street thugs???? Oops, the people most likely to use hi cap mags for criminal intent get to keep their hi cap mags. Unless you follow anti gun CO senator diane degette's uniformed advice!
Maine and other states allow, with federal tax stamp, fully automatic weapons and yet the streets of Maine are not running red with blood. Proves mag cap not going to be a preventative. Better chance of the gun jamming with a 30 round clip..
How about chasing down something useful, like enforcing current laws, stop lying about cops, RELEASE JV RECORDS!!!!!!!! stop releasing felons by pleading down to non violent crimes, SHUT THE BORDER!!!!! gangs, drugs and guns and violence proliferate via open border. Guns and fentanyl their specialty, got the cash? anti-gun CA senator YEE will get you ANYTHING you desire. Yee out of prison yet?
How about the death toll from fentanyl, leading cause of death for 18-45 year olds..... not a peep.
How about the death toll from gangs in places like Chicago... not a peep about the innocent kids killed daily. No media background story on 8 year olds killed in their beds. Plenty of exposure for families of perps resisting arrest. Intentional choices...WHY?
The country is flush with firearms, partly because of the war on cops and threat from the left to eventually make private gun ownership so onerous, no one could afford or comply.
You can't round up 20 million illegal aliens because it is impractical, but you can round up a zillion guns, no problem, just as easy as reversing the global climate. Tell us another bedtime story.
Obama lies about the safest places have the strictest gun laws, which means Maine and states with lax restrictions are killing fields. The media did not challenge obama. It is these lies from the left which make it impossible to ever reach a workable solution to violet crime.
It is violent crime that needs to be addressed..... drugs and gangs cause the loss of more innocent lives and no one is listening, in fact the biden administration is promoting to the loss of life with their open border and no cash bail and refusing to prosecute. Most glaring was the footage of a gang shootout and the prosecutor refusing to charge because no witnesses. Lies about rittenhouse carrying gun across state lines. NBC edited 911 call to make the zimmerman look like a racist. On and on the media spreads lies and forces a solution further out of reach. Aside from providing 'how to' information on each shooting and of course keeping score so the next wackjob who thinks he is playing a video game, is challenged to get a higher score.
Mag cap is not the solution! Wake up ! bigger issues and low hanging fruit ignored by the left to forward a political agenda, NOT SAFE LIVES!
Latest events are beyond sickening, the usual proposals even more sickening, if that is at a ll possible. Because we know the proposals will do nothing to save innocent lives. How many people alive today in Chicago will not be around after memorial day? Reducing mag cap will not save their lives!
Story is the French would cutoff the middle finger of English archers to prevent them from shooting a bow. Hmmm?
The threat for us in America is not from a foreign nation invading, the threat comes from our very own Govt, and we must always have the ability to remove the govt by force if necessary. Its what our nation was founded on...'using firearms to threaten or intimidate the govt or agents of the govt'
If I decide to purchase a firearm, it will be to defend myself from the govt, should they ever try to violate my rights.
While I partly agree with you never dismiss the fact that a foreign nation could also be our biggest threat as well.
Britain’s gun control laws are so effective that they had to ban most knives as well.
Knives ARE NOT banned You're just not supposed take them out with the intention of stabbing somebody to death! Guns ARE NOT banned either! Incidentally knife crime between the US and the UK are at surprisingly similar levels..............however you are hundreds of times more likely to get shot to death in the US! I wonder why that is?? I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to work that one out!
London has 126 homicides last year, which is fairly low for a city of over 9 million, and the city is very safe by international standards and London is far safer than most large American cities.
As for gangs, there are low level street gangs, who sell drugs just as in any city in the world. and there are more serious organised crime groups just as there are in any major city.
I have never been mugged and most of London has been increasingly gentrified.
A lot of UK violent crime is drink related, however murder rates and serious violent crimes are quite low by international standards.
There were 594 homicide victims in England & Wales (60 million), in the year ending March 2021, 79 fewer (a 12% decrease). There were 55 homicides recorded in Scotland in 2020-21 – the fewest since comparable records began back in 1976. There were 22 homicides recorded in Northern Ireland in 2020/21, compared with 29 recorded in the 2018/2019 reporting year.
In terms of the UK there were 674 homicides, a country with a population of 67.22 million (2020).
A significant rise in police numbers (20,000 extra officers), and new community initiatives may also have an impact on crime levels.
In terms of London there are three main uninformed police forces, the Metropolitan Police, City of London Police and British Transport Police (Railways and London Underground).
The Met is expected to grown to 36,500, full time officers whilst the City of London Police is to increase to over 800 officers and the British Transport Police have around 3,200 of which over half are assigned to the London Underground and London Rail stations.
There are also several thousand police auxiliary officers such as Police Community Support Officers and Special Constables, whilst other specialist law enforcement agencies such as the Ministry of Defence Police (Whitehall Security Zone and Military Establishments) and National Crime Agency operate in the capital.
No one here gives a squat about what they do in England. You can’t even carry a pocket knife. Your government has totally eviscerated your right to defend yourself. There’s a reason we aren’t subjects of the crown.
Knives ARE NOT banned You're just not supposed take them out with the intention of stabbing somebody to death! Guns ARE NOT banned either! Incidentally knife crime between the US and the UK are at surprisingly similar levels..............however you are hundreds of times more likely to get shot to death in the US! I wonder why that is?? I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to work that one out!
The streets of London are run by gangs with knives and you must be 18 to buy one.
No one here gives a squat about what they do in England. You can’t even carry a pocket knife. Your government has totally eviscerated your right to defend yourself. There’s a reason we aren’t subjects of the crown.
Our kids don't need to 'defend themselves' our 8 year old's don't get their heads blown off during a maths lesson.
People on this forum writing about what the intent of the Framers was for the 2A are just making things up out of thin air. There is no evidence that this was so citizens could overthrow their government. The Framers told us exactly why 2A was written:
"A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state..."
Back in 1787 they didn't have a standing army, and didn't foresee ever having one. If the nation was invaded, they relied on armed local citizens, organized as militia, to rush to the defense of the country. And these weren't just armed mobs of people; they were "well-regulated". They have command structure and usually are only active when called out by the Governor.
So let's drop this nonsense that you have some God-given right to carry a high-powered, rapid-firing weapon with a large magazine shooting armor-piercing bullets without restrictions.
The framers did tell us why the 2nd was written. Let’s see what they wrote on the topic.
Thomas Jefferson:
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What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.
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The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
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The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.
Patrick Henry:
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Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.
Samuel Adams:
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The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.
Noah Webster:
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Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.
There is a plethora of writings from the time of the founding of this great nation. All of those writings say that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to ensure that Americans are able to be armed. Many of them also encourage or require training in the use of arms, which was common practice until about 4 decades ago when the hoplophobes decided that teaching children how to safely use and care for a firearm was anathema and removed firearms training from public education curricula. What we are seeing today, with untrained and undisciplined young men turning to firearms as their means of lashing out, can - at least to some extent - be traced back to the fact that we no longer require our children to be taught about one of the most effective, yet potentially dangerous, tools ever invented.
Two days ago now, we had another mass murder shotting and one again, high capacity magazines of 30 rounds of ammunition were used. Why in the world should 30 rounds clips be allowed. If you can not shoot your target with a using a five round clip (I'd compromise with 10), I can tell you who needs more time at the range. I've shot a gun with Boys Scouts numerous times and we either had single shot rifles or five round clips at best. I do not know why we are so adverse to banning 30 round magazines in this country.
This is one of the typical emotional liberal arguments that seem to always come up, but usually not much logic behind it.
There are many things in the world that aren't "needed", yet are sold every day. Depending on the report, I've heard the shooter reportedly had several hundred to a few thousand rounds of ammunition and likely shot several hundred rounds. He was apparently in the school for about 40 minutes before he was killed. Magazines can get changed quickly.
How exactly would limiting the size of the magazines have changed this situation?
Then how did you arbitrarily come up with 10 rounds as a compromise? A "good" shooter should need no more than 1 round to hit the target. A person on a range has all of the time in the world, forcing them to reload after every shot isn't that much of a stretch if you go down this path, so why not limit them to a single round?
Knives ARE NOT banned You're just not supposed take them out with the intention of stabbing somebody to death! Guns ARE NOT banned either! Incidentally knife crime between the US and the UK are at surprisingly similar levels..............however you are hundreds of times more likely to get shot to death in the US! I wonder why that is?? I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to work that one out!
You aren’t allowed to carry a locking blade knife or any knife with more than a 3 inch blade. That’s as close to a ban as you can get without an actual ban.
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You're just not supposed take them out with the intention of stabbing somebody to death! Guns ARE NOT banned either! Incidentally knife crime between the US and the UK are at surprisingly similar levels..............however you are hundreds of times more likely to get shot to death in the US! I wonder why that is?? 
I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to work that one out!