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Old 05-27-2022, 06:04 AM
Status: "“If a thing loves, it is infinite.”" (set 2 days ago)
 
Location: Great Britain
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Originally Posted by ketchikanite View Post
No one here gives a squat about what they do in England. You can’t even carry a pocket knife. Your government has totally eviscerated your right to defend yourself. There’s a reason we aren’t subjects of the crown.
You are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself or your property in the UK and this includes anything that comes to hand.

As for guns, the The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988, which was passed in the wake of the Hungerford massacre, bans the ownership of semi-automatic centre-fire rifles and restricts the use of shotguns with a capacity of more than three cartridges (in magazine plus the breech).

Centerfire ammunition - Wikipedia

Rimfire ammunition is different and allowed, and weapons that are not rapid fire or semi automatic centre fire are also allowed.

Rimfire ammunition - Wikipedia

It should be noted that at the time of the 1987 Hungerford Massacre Michael Ryan legally owned -

Beretta 9mm pistol
Zabala shotgun
Browning shotgun
Bernardelli .22 pistol
CZ ORSO self-loading .32 ACP pistol
Norinco Type 56 7.62×39mm semi-automatic rifle (a Type of Chinese AK-47)
Underwood Carbine .30 rifle (a rare type of US Army M1 Rifle)

New Laws were put in place, as there was general agreement that people should not be able to own AK-47 rifles and other such powerful military weapons.

Whilst in terms of the 1996 Dunblane Massacre, Thomas Hamilton legally owned two Browning pistols and two Magnum handguns,

2 x 9mm Browning HP pistol
2 x Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver

As already pointed out, restrictions in countries such as the UK are mainly directed towards banning the ownership of semi-automatic centre-fire rifles and restricting the use of shotguns with a capacity of more than three cartridges (in magazine plus the breech).

Most rifles are restricted to .22 Rimfire ammunition although more powerful rifles can be applied for in relation to deer and large mammals.

There two basic types of licence shotgun licence and a firearms licence, the latter is harder to get, and usually starts with .22 Rimfire, however following professional advancement such as Deer Courses (DSC1 & DSC2), an individual may apply for more powerful rifles but must keep a log relating to ammunition and shooting and store any guns in a secure locked gun cabinet.

You must follow the restrictions on when you can shoot deer or other mammals and what type of firearms and ammunition you can use, as the shooting of large animals such as deer must be carried out humanely so that the animal does not suffer, and hunters are permitted to carry a humane dispatch pistol.

Whilst guns are no where near as prevalent in the UK as the US, there are still lots local gun ranges and clay pigeon shooting, as well as vermin control, culling and hunting. It is however well controlled and regulated.

As for the police in Britain, they generally rely on highly trained professionals in Armed Response Vehicles or specialist teams/units.

Guns or weapons of any sort have not permitted for carrying in public or as a means of self defence in the UK and this applies to most of the western world and there is no need to have many powerful automatic centerfire gun types in order to participate in gun sports, vermin control or culling/hunting.

Last edited by Brave New World; 05-27-2022 at 07:24 AM..

 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:05 AM
Status: "Let this year be over..." (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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Originally Posted by 303Guy View Post
You sure about that?

I should mention that I left out the arson mass killings, the knife killings, the club killings and so on. Those are only the gun killings.

And Australia doesn't have a population of 330 million.

That article that you linked to is a lie. They have wokie lefties in Australia too.

The reality is that nothing changed in Australia after banning guns.
The article in the link identifies mass killings "if defined as murders of 5 or more people by gun" can you say that all those examples you listed fit that definition? And your right Australia's population is around 26 million not 300+.

But a simple search of Deaths by guns in that country returns the positive effect the policy has had
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/c...f_gun_homicide which when compared to the USA is striking https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/c...f_gun_homicide. Both charts are comparing Homocides per 100k people and I don't think the University of Sidney is a bunch of "lie(ing) woke lefties"
 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Leo58 View Post
FALSE. 2/3 of Americans support a ban on assault weapons

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-majority...173456439.html
https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch...-1166076483662

And 90% support background checks
Gee what a surprise"

"DEMOGRAPHICS (weighted) Self-Reported 25% Republican 45% Independent 30% Democrat 48% Male 52% Female 30% 18-34 33% 35-54 36% 55+

And only 800 people "surveyed". I would expect no less form msnbc and manmoth!
 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Buckeye77 View Post
We already have a zillion gun laws, none of which will prevent these senseless tragedies.

Why is that so hard to understand?
Unbelievable.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
Gee what a surprise"

"DEMOGRAPHICS (weighted) Self-Reported 25% Republican 45% Independent 30% Democrat 48% Male 52% Female 30% 18-34 33% 35-54 36% 55+

And only 800 people "surveyed". I would expect no less form msnbc and manmoth!
And half of them probably have no idea the difference between a semi auto rifle (ar15) vs an assault rifle (NFA)
 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:20 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian View Post
Entire list violates the 2nd Amendment, and any politician who got behind even some of it would lose their next election.

2nd amendment, 2nd amendment .... over and over ...


A very broad, 27 word statement that can be interpreted in a lot of ways.


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


One of which could easily be that only people in a "well regulated Militia" should be able to "bear Arms". In modern times, that would be the National Guard.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:22 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ditchoc View Post
2nd amendment, 2nd amendment .... over and over ...


A very broad, 27 word statement that can be interpreted in a lot of ways.


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


One of which could easily be that only people in a "well regulated Militia" should be able to "bear Arms". In modern times, that would be the National Guard.
The Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with you and has, over and over, for many years.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Manigault View Post
Not if it is driving away. Don't think that shooting at a hijacker driving away in your car is self defense of you or your property. It ain't.

The fool couple in MO pointed weapons at the crowd with their fingers inside of trigger guards. That's assault, not self-defense.
Depends on your state.

Protecting your PROPERTY is a RIGHT.

"(Texas appears to be an exception, allowing use of deadly force when there's no other way to protect or recapture property even in situations involving simple theft or criminal mischief, though only at night, Tex. Penal Code § 9.42"

"And in some states, you don't even need to expose yourself to such increased risk, if you reasonably fear at the outset that nondeadly protection of property would be too dangerous. In those states, to quote the Model Penal Code formulation (which some have adopted), deadly force can be used if the person against whom the force is used is attempting to commit or consummate arson, burglary, robbery or other felonious theft or property destruction and either:"

"Note the requirement, in at least this version, of felonious theft"

"And that's just for garden-variety theft and property damage. When the theft or vandalism is aggravated in certain ways, many states allow for still more deadly force."

https://reason.com/volokh/2020/06/02...fend-property/

"The fool couple"
I wonder who is the "fool" now?
 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Manigault View Post
That's not subsistence. That's adding to your larder.
"That's not subsistence."

And you know this how?

We, and many of my hunting friends, ate venison instead of beef most of the year.

No cholesterol, less fat.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by thinkingandwondering View Post
Sorry. I'm not familiar with gun lingo.

I would argue it is an assault rifle, but I don't know the politics of what you call those murder weapons.


How can you advocate banning that which you cannot define?
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