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Old 05-25-2022, 12:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by scarabchuck View Post
Please share them then.

I think the breakdown of the family is probably the one with the biggest effect.
Many/most of these shooters have functional, even loving families that they live with,
This is not a major factor in my research.

I'd put the bulk of blame on anger and rage
Anger caused by unrealistic expectations of
1-the opposite sex and sexuality
2-he kind of life they think they deserve to live
3-feeling unsuccessful in life and blaming other
4-bullying
also
1-clinical mental illness, untreated because of changes in our medical system
2- gun culture and violence worship
3- places on the dark web where this is considered normal and even to be praised.\
4-the price and ease of getting weapons and body armor
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Sad to say, but there could be a mass shooting where half of Congress is murdered or lets say a quarter of Congress in murdered in a mass shooting and nothing will change.
A Bernie Sanders supporter tried that at a GOP softball practice.
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:01 PM
 
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Tell that to the loved ones of all the innocent that have died, that they had to sacrifice their lives for the nation's freedom.


You're right. America is unique when compared to other nations that have a high rate of gun ownership.
We have shown that as a nation, we are not responsible enough to handle firearms.
We have mass shootings on a regular basis and nothing is ever done.
We have no one to blame but ourselves.
99% of all gun owners never commit a gun crime. You can't make it illegal to be crazy.
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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99% of all gun owners never commit a gun crime. You can't make it illegal to be crazy.
What is your source for that 99% or did you just pull that number out of your ass?
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:07 PM
 
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There is more than one thing that has caused the moral decay of our society. Please share some of what you think. I've shared some of what I think it was. The list is much longer than that though. The fact of the matter is, something changed in our society the last couple of decades that is responsible for this. We may not agree on all of what cause the change, but its blatantly obvious something did.
There is always more than one thing happening. Family breakdown in American started down its spiral back in the 60s. No-fault divorce and fourth-wave feminism were factors in normalizing single-parent families.

The post-WWII prosperity bubble buoyed lifestyle expectations for the Boomer Generation, and then its collapse in the latter 60s was a factor in normalizing two-income families.

Electronic media, particularly television and now even more the Internet, took over the role of transmitting culture from parents and community. That's a factor.
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:08 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Who closed the mental hospitals? Was that Reagan? Okay, they were barbaric and never helped anyone, but there were supposed to be replacements that would help people. However, the government never got around to building any such facilities or hiring people to help the mentally ill.

So we have wayward people sleeping in the streets, teenagers with mental health problems--and no one helps them. Prevention by identifying and helping them would be a good step. And a place to keep them while they are getting the much needed help. Rehab centers or counseling centers where they can live and get round the clock help, not be out on the street doing crazy things.
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:09 PM
 
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Lol, of course. And you wonder why this hasn't been done, sorry, people don't want to fund others. My wife and I pay for our own health care out of pocket, so can others. The only exception would be for those physically or mentally unable to provide for themselves.
If you or your child had a psychiatric break and had to be hospitalized. The negotiated price is about 2000 per day. The billing price is much much higher.
So say you need to be treated for a month. that's 60K just for the inpatient part. Lets say you had a relapse 3 months later. another 60K. That doesn't even count the outpatient therapy, drugs.
Can you really fund that all by yourself?
If you are letting insurance fund it -then you are not self funding the treatment. By definition, others are paying for your expensive treatments.
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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It is too easy to get guns. It's too easy to get drugs as well. I dont really have a good solution.

What do other countries do ? it doesnt seem like mass shootings are an issue in other countries
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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Many/most of these shooters have functional, even loving families that they live with,
This is not a major factor in my research.

I'd put the bulk of blame on anger and rage
Anger caused by unrealistic expectations of
1-the opposite sex and sexuality
2-he kind of life they think they deserve to live
3-feeling unsuccessful in life and blaming other
4-bullying
also
1-clinical mental illness, untreated because of changes in our medical system
2- gun culture and violence worship
3- places on the dark web where this is considered normal and even to be praised.\
4-the price and ease of getting weapons and body armor
Fair enough, I agree with all of the above, except for the ease and price of firearms/armor. Firearms are legal, why should they be hard to get ? And they aren't exactly cheap. That is the problem though, they are legal, so anyone that can have them should, but how do we make sure that those that shouldn't have them not be able to get them. That is the dilemma.
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Isn't part of the problem that most of these young men weren't identified or labeled mentally ill until AFTER their killing sprees.

Time and time again we hear the comments about how 'they were odd', 'loners', etc....said something scary, tweeted something odd.....but nobody ever followed up enough.

So having more mental health facilities, resources, etc. does what if we don't use the resources we already have.
Being 'odd', 'loners', making 'scary' tweets don't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Lots of people don't fit in with social norms but that doesn't mean they will shoot up the school, mall, grocery, etc. Being 'odd', 'loners', etc. doesn't mean they have mental illness. I'm sure many thought I did in high school, in fact I have seen several well adjusted friends from high school have them while I maybe had a bout here or there but was able to get through without help. Doesn't mean everyone can though.
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