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Old 05-25-2022, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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What is the common denominator here?

Salvador Ramos (Uvalde, TX) - male, age 18
Payton Gendron (Buffalo, NY) - male, age 18
Patrick Crusius (El Paso, TX) - male, age 21
Nikolas Cruz (Parkland, FL) - male, age 19
Dylan Roof (Charleston, SC) - male, age 19
Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook, NJ) - male, age 20
Eric Harris (Columbine, CO) - male, age 18
Dylan Klebold (Columbine, CO) - male, age 17

Maybe we don't need sweeping gun control laws. We don't need to take guns away from women, or from middle-aged men. There is a very specific cohort here. Why don't we concentrate on keeping guns out of the hands of young men?
what do they all have in common..... mental illness

 
Old 05-25-2022, 02:29 PM
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You can block them from buying guns legally but can you block them from stealing guns? Getting their girlfriends to buy them?
Have any of the shooters had girlfriends? That’s actually a component of the problem. They’re isolated and without friends. Dateless losers as some have said.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 02:31 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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Originally Posted by Leo58 View Post
What is the common denominator here?

Salvador Ramos (Uvalde, TX) - male, age 18
Payton Gendron (Buffalo, NY) - male, age 18
Patrick Crusius (El Paso, TX) - male, age 21
Nikolas Cruz (Parkland, FL) - male, age 19
Dylan Roof (Charleston, SC) - male, age 19
Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook, NJ) - male, age 20
Eric Harris (Columbine, CO) - male, age 18
Dylan Klebold (Columbine, CO) - male, age 17

Maybe we don't need sweeping gun control laws. We don't need to take guns away from women, or from middle-aged men. There is a very specific cohort here. Why don't we concentrate on keeping guns out of the hands of young men?
You do realize that these are extremely troubled young men? That some of them were in and out of psychiatric care, in trouble with law enforcement…

Lanza was autistic and had severe OCD and anorexia. Harris and and Klebold wrote extremely violent stories involving rape and cannibalism. Roof was schizophrenic and autistic. Most were on various forms of psychiatric drugs.

https://www.theledger.com/story/news...ss/8861268002/

MOST young American men are going to college, or are working, or both. They like cars and dating and sports and video games.

The question you should be asking is why young men who are extremely troubled sometimes fall through the cracks.

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Old 05-25-2022, 02:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Leo58 View Post
What is the common denominator here?

Salvador Ramos (Uvalde, TX) - male, age 18
Payton Gendron (Buffalo, NY) - male, age 18
Patrick Crusius (El Paso, TX) - male, age 21
Nikolas Cruz (Parkland, FL) - male, age 19
Dylan Roof (Charleston, SC) - male, age 19
Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook, NJ) - male, age 20
Eric Harris (Columbine, CO) - male, age 18
Dylan Klebold (Columbine, CO) - male, age 17

Maybe we don't need sweeping gun control laws. We don't need to take guns away from women, or from middle-aged men. There is a very specific cohort here. Why don't we concentrate on keeping guns out of the hands of young men?
How many of these young men acquired these guns legally?
 
Old 05-25-2022, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Paradise
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How many of these young men acquired these guns legally?
True!

I wonder if anyone pointed out to those young men that all the things they were doing were illegal.

I wonder if it would have stopped them.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Originally Posted by Leo58 View Post
What is the common denominator here?

Salvador Ramos (Uvalde, TX) - male, age 18
Payton Gendron (Buffalo, NY) - male, age 18
Patrick Crusius (El Paso, TX) - male, age 21
Nikolas Cruz (Parkland, FL) - male, age 19
Dylan Roof (Charleston, SC) - male, age 19
Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook, NJ) - male, age 20
Eric Harris (Columbine, CO) - male, age 18
Dylan Klebold (Columbine, CO) - male, age 17

Maybe we don't need sweeping gun control laws. We don't need to take guns away from women, or from middle-aged men. There is a very specific cohort here. Why don't we concentrate on keeping guns out of the hands of young men?
14th Amendment of the United States Constitution......equal protection under the law.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 02:44 PM
 
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You do realize that these are extremely troubled young me? That some of them were in and out of psychiatric care, in trouble with law enforcement…

Lanza was autistic and had severe OCD and anorexia. Harris and and Klebold wrote extremely violent stories involving rape and cannibalism. Roof was schizophrenic and autistic. Most were on various forms of psychiatric drugs.

https://www.theledger.com/story/news...ss/8861268002/

MOST young American men are going to college, or are working, or both. They like cars and dating and sports and video games.

The question you should be asking is why young men who are extremely troubled sometimes fall through the cracks.
I don't disagree. It was just very striking to me when I realized that all of these shooters were in a very narrow age range, and of course all are males. Talk about profiling. Whether its gun control or mental health intervention, the problem seems much less daunting when we can target a very small subset of the population.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 02:45 PM
 
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At least raise the legal age to buy a gun to 21. If 18 year olds are not responsible enough to drink a beer, how are they responsible enough to have a semi automatic weapon?
 
Old 05-25-2022, 02:46 PM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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What is the common denominator here?

Salvador Ramos (Uvalde, TX) - male, age 18
Payton Gendron (Buffalo, NY) - male, age 18
Patrick Crusius (El Paso, TX) - male, age 21
Nikolas Cruz (Parkland, FL) - male, age 19
Dylan Roof (Charleston, SC) - male, age 19
Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook, NJ) - male, age 20
Eric Harris (Columbine, CO) - male, age 18
Dylan Klebold (Columbine, CO) - male, age 17

Maybe we don't need sweeping gun control laws. We don't need to take guns away from women, or from middle-aged men. There is a very specific cohort here. Why don't we concentrate on keeping guns out of the hands of young men?
Let us know when you actually want to solve this issue so that we can have a rational discussion...
 
Old 05-25-2022, 02:46 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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I don't disagree. It was just very striking to me when I realized that all of these shooters were in a very narrow age range, and of course all are males. Talk about profiling. Whether its gun control or mental health intervention, the problem seems much less daunting when we can target a very small subset of the population.
You should research what SSRI’s do. Several of us have been posting links.
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