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I would be fine with that...but then make everything equal...no one under 21 can drive, drink, VOTE, enter the military, enter into a marriage, get an abortion, get gender transitioning medical care, enter into a contract (which includes loans, including student loans), and pay taxes either
Good point. You are mature or you are not. You are responsible or you are not.
As already noted, there have actually been a variety of ages. Mental issues for sure though. And there are so many different levels of mental issues. The number of people with issues is astounding. Spend a couple evenings watching "Cops" and you'll see there are so many wackos everywhere. In every city.
No I'm not trying to say they are all potential mass murderers, I'm thinking about how many people are running around with mental issues. And in my opinion it's just the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately we find out about most them too late.
Agree 100%. However there is danger of making false conclusions based on a simple statement like that. Without the help of psychotropic drugs would rates of mass shootings be even higher….. or would they be lower? The answer is unknown. It’s easy at that point to say “well decades ago less people were on psychotropic drugs and there were less mass shootings, but that’s just a surface level observation not based on any real proof. It doesn’t take into account vastly changing culture, the effects of social media, the variance in gun availability (if any, idk just giving examples), and likely hundreds of other factors that differ from back in the 50a or 60s. Essentially I’m saying that with such a complicated and intricate problem, we have to be very careful not to draw non-scientific conclusions. Doing so won’t help anyone in the long run.
Most mass shooters were never diagnosed, let alone medicated. Perhaps if some had been….
In absence of a history of violence, it is near impossible to project anyone’s potential for future violence.
At least raise the legal age to buy a gun to 21. If 18 year olds are not responsible enough to drink a beer, how are they responsible enough to have a semi automatic weapon?
how are they responsible enough to be in the military and handle guns there?
Salvador Ramos (Uvalde, TX) - male, age 18
Payton Gendron (Buffalo, NY) - male, age 18
Patrick Crusius (El Paso, TX) - male, age 21
Nikolas Cruz (Parkland, FL) - male, age 19
Dylan Roof (Charleston, SC) - male, age 19
Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook, NJ) - male, age 20
Eric Harris (Columbine, CO) - male, age 18
Dylan Klebold (Columbine, CO) - male, age 17
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You know what else they had in common?
No father in the home.
Correct for most of them
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How many of them were taking medications for various mental issues?
You left out Seung-Hui Cho age 23
I think most of them were on those medications. Easier to Medicate than Parent.
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You do realize that these are extremely troubled young men? That some of them were in and out of psychiatric care, in trouble with law enforcement…
Lanza was autistic and had severe OCD and anorexia. Harris and and Klebold wrote extremely violent stories involving rape and cannibalism. Roof was schizophrenic and autistic. Most were on various forms of psychiatric drugs.
MOST young American men are going to college, or are working, or both. They like cars and dating and sports and video games.
The question you should be asking is why young men who are extremely troubled sometimes fall through the cracks.
They “fall through the cracks” because busy Parents take the easy way out with their children
Poke a pill down their throats.
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charles whitman was 25.
Charles Whitman had a Brain Tumor and begged doctors for help - he knew something was wrong and they ignored him. He wrote in a will that he wanted his brain donated to Science so they could find out what was wrong with him.
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Do a bit more research and you'll see most of them were on prescription antidepressants.
That’s also what I’ve found - not just in these school shootings, but in others also - like the Gabby Gifford Shooting. Unfortunately, it’s not a Talking Point for CongressCritters to look into prescription drugs, when all they can think about is removing the 2nd Amendment & they KNOW that will never happen.
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I read an article that said antidepressant prescriptions jumped over 10% in the first half of 2020.
Other prescription drugs (pain killers) also jumped.
The Lock Downs and Isolation of kids for 2 Years has done an incredible disservice to our kids.
I’ve seen the damage first hand in my Grandchildren. The Uvalde Killer dropout of school during the Pandemic and wasn’t able to graduate - that was the likely trigger.
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Absolutely to both. She said it has NEVER been this bad until Covid.
I agree with your other posts about over prescribing meds. I feel unless you are a danger to yourself or others, meds should be a last resort rather than the first course of action. Counseling and things like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy can do wonders for people.
The problem I see is the Dr.'s rarely take time - many now don't have the time - to find the real deep seated issues with a patient. They write a script instead. Insurance always covers pharma meds so all a patient is responsible for is a small co-pay...Take pills, come back in 6 months...Much cheaper than intensive psychotherapy which is routinely only covered at 50% with most plans.
If you have ever known a "troubled" person, you probably already know they can have really complicated issues. Many need intensive help.
I could write a book on this. My Grandchildren have been in Therapy for over 10 Years. I know 2 of them are being given drugs of some sort. It worries me constantly. I’ve tried to talk to my son about it and it just makes him angry. I know he tries to do what he thinks is best - but he can’t see that none of it has resulted in anything good for them. The result is 3 kids that were the top of their class in a private school are barely passing once they went into public school.
I would be fine with that...but then make everything equal...no one under 21 can drive, drink, VOTE, enter the military, enter into a marriage, get an abortion, get gender transitioning medical care, enter into a contract (which includes loans, including student loans), and pay taxes either
In that case, the parents would be responsible for what they do.
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