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So you think you are a match for the U.S. military? Thinking of overthrowing the government? Then you shouldn't have guns!!
Armed America outmans the trained infantry of the Army and Marines by roughly 1,000 to 1. And I have read history books and know what small unit, guerrilla forces that have lots of marksmen can do against even vastly superior forces. Our country's independence owes thanks to the small unit, guerrilla forces of the Carolina militias for being a key element in defeating the vastly superior and more well equipped forces of King George III and Lord Cornwallis.
I have no desire to overthrow anything. As a non-statist, I have only the desire to be left alone from harassment, oppression and antagonism. I do me, they do them. I am also a dyed-in-the-wool adherent of the Non Aggression principle, thus initiating force is something I am physically and mentally incapable of.
Nobody need fear anyone like me, unless you actively seek me out to initiate force against me. Then I can present a compelling case for why that is a bad idea.
I'm a liberal, and I don't have a problem with the 2nd amendment. I don't, however, think the 2nd amendment is the guarantor of our rights on its own, so I am fine if guns are more regulated than they are. I would not support anything that makes it impossible to purchase a gun. But I would be fine making the purchase process more inconvenient.
I'm a liberal, and I don't have a problem with the 2nd amendment. I don't, however, think the 2nd amendment is the guarantor of our rights on its own, so I am fine if guns are more regulated than they are. I would not support anything that makes it impossible to purchase a gun. But I would be fine making the purchase process more inconvenient.
I have dealt with those inconveniences, and I would agree to a point, but I am fierce about not letting government have even tiny victories in limiting freedom, because they never, ever go the other way. Like suppressors. That is a safety device, but because of media ignorance, Hollywood fantasy and political nonsense, those safety devices are seen as the official accessory of doom, so they have the most insane regulations of any safety device or aftermarket accessory in history. Laws based entirely on hysterics and hyperbole, that limit freedom and actually reduce safety, but serve some ridiculous political fantasy agenda?
That's what I fear when we acquiesce even a tiny bit to government force. They never stop at the reasonable, they always take it too far and never walk it back.
Do you think Ukraine wishes they had a couple hundred thousand men familiar with guns from shooting all their lives today?
I bet they regret not having nuclear weapons. That’s the only true deterrent to invasion.
It’s a simple discussion. That force large enough to invade with will be vaporized if it crosses x spot. Or you will lose a city of 10,000,000 people every hour it’s moving forward to invade us.
Luckily, the United States faces zero threat of invasion that can project across the two oceans versus our navy/Air Force, and even if it did, nuclear weapons make the threat non existent.
That’s quite a stretch to say we need a militia to defend against external enemies.
It's because it lays bare the harsh reality of the world.
Modern Liberals like to deal in hypotheticals and in fantasy lands. That's why they love Twitter. It's why Hollywood has become nothing but a regurgitation of the way the world looks to a liberal..."safe," non-offensive (and unrealistic). It's why they invented "Safe Spaces" and "Trophies for All." It's why no one is ever allow to offend anyone, etc.
The 2nd Amendment exists basically because as human beings, we have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow. Everything isn't neatly packaged for us and we may have to think and act on our OWN to solve problems. Our framers understood this in 1789 and realized that government was not omnipotent and the autonomous citizens themselves would have to take care of their own matters and interests. The government couldn't be around every corner "protecting" them.
Liberals can't fathom the idea that bad things happen and THEY may have to take responsibility themselves for them...the government may not be able to do it.
That very idea scares them. It's why every time a terrible crime occurs, they immediately talk about all sorts of new ways to make government solve the problem, even if in reality there is no way for it to! Surely this just loophole in government that we need to fill in! There must be some way the "trained experts" could solve this? Sure I don't have to?
In the mind of a liberal anti-gunner, there MUST BE some way to make bad things stop, so that they don't ever get down to the personal level where THEY THEMSELVES would have to act. They don't value having full dominion over their own lives like conservative tend to.
Seeing other people freely accept this reality makes them nervous. They call them "ammosexuals" and such just to try to make themselves feel better, but in reality the crux, I believe, of some people not being able to fathom the gift that we have in the USA of unalienable rights to defend ourselves is that...
IT MEANS THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT REALITY CAN BE HARSH AND NOT PERFECT...It's almost a defense mechanism....for people that can't accept reality.
Liberals don't want to take your guns. Period. They're not stupid. However, IMO, there are certain types of guns that shouldn't be sold on the open market or to those under the age of 21.
Why do you always label liberals as wanting to do away with the 2nd Amendment? It's just so ridiculous. What any normal person wants is for people who owns guns to be responsible and we do not need all of these high powered guns. Back in my day, we had BB guns and a 22.
It's because it lays bare the harsh reality of the world.
Modern Liberals like to deal in hypotheticals and in fantasy lands. That's why they love Twitter. It's why Hollywood has become nothing but a regurgitation of the way the world looks to a liberal..."safe," non-offensive (and unrealistic). It's why they invented "Safe Spaces" and "Trophies for All." It's why no one is ever allow to offend anyone, etc.
The 2nd Amendment exists basically because as human beings, we have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow. Everything isn't neatly packaged for us and we may have to think and act on our OWN to solve problems. Our framers understood this in 1789 and realized that government was not omnipotent and the autonomous citizens themselves would have to take care of their own matters and interests. The government couldn't be around every corner "protecting" them.
Liberals can't fathom the idea that bad things happen and THEY may have to take responsibility themselves for them...the government may not be able to do it.
That very idea scares them. It's why every time a terrible crime occurs, they immediately talk about all sorts of new ways to make government solve the problem, even if in reality there is no way for it to! Surely this just loophole in government that we need to fill in! There must be some way the "trained experts" could solve this? Sure I don't have to?
In the mind of a liberal anti-gunner, there MUST BE some way to make bad things stop, so that they don't ever get down to the personal level where THEY THEMSELVES would have to act. They don't value having full dominion over their own lives like conservative tend to.
Seeing other people freely accept this reality makes them nervous. They call them "ammosexuals" and such just to try to make themselves feel better, but in reality the crux, I believe, of some people not being able to fathom the gift that we have in the USA of unalienable rights to defend ourselves is that...
IT MEANS THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT REALITY CAN BE HARSH AND NOT PERFECT...It's almost a defense mechanism....for people that can't accept reality.
Horse puckey. I have owned guns since 1958 and worked as a gunsmith for four years. I was an avid deer and hog hunter for 45. I am still well armed against intruders.
My experience in dealing with the public in a gun sales situation is that people will talk when they feel like they are in a safe place. I would estimate that one out of ten people who I sold guns to shouldn't even be able to look at them in a museum.
If I had my way, there would be no semiautomatic firearms in the hands of the public. There is no reason for any such guns except in a combat situation. I also would restrict the carrying of firearms to what it used to be when you had to have a reason to get a permit. Those were most often issued for people carrying in the line of duty, and those who dealt with large sums of physical cash or other valuables as a consequence of their jobs.
You really shouldn't paint with so broad a brush. I can assure you, there are a lot more armed Liberals out here than you would ever believe.
I have dealt with those inconveniences, and I would agree to a point, but I am fierce about not letting government have even tiny victories in limiting freedom, because they never, ever go the other way. Like suppressors. That is a safety device, but because of media ignorance, Hollywood fantasy and political nonsense, those safety devices are seen as the official accessory of doom, so they have the most insane regulations of any safety device or aftermarket accessory in history. Laws based entirely on hysterics and hyperbole, that limit freedom and actually reduce safety, but serve some ridiculous political fantasy agenda?
That's what I fear when we acquiesce even a tiny bit to government force. They never stop at the reasonable, they always take it too far and never walk it back.
Well done!!!
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