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Except the 2A doesn't guarantee freedom, and any analysis by right wing think tanks in the USA like Freedom House and the CATO institute find that the USA is far down the list of nations that have freedom.
And you know what?
All of those ahead of the USA, some far ahead, have gun control laws. Owning guns does not equal freedom, no matter how often it is repeated.
Doesn't equal or guarantee freedom but it gives a someone like a woman better odds to defend herself in the case she was attacked. To me that is a form of freedom.
It's all about you isn't it? Trying to keep kids from being mowed down in the classroom is some grand scheme to punish you. You're not even willing to work with anyone else because you have all the knowledge there could possibly be in this situation and have come to precisely the right conclusion.
Given that I have never come anywhere near committing violence with my firearms, much less even considered the depths of depravity required to mow down kids in a school, no, I am not willing to work with anyone who thinks the best way to prevent another school shooting is by taking away my rights.
If someone gets drunk 1,500 miles away from me, gets in their car and crashes their car into someone and kills them, should I go to jail for DUI, or have my license revoked? If someone 3,000 miles away grabs a kitchen knife and stabs their spouse to death with it, should I be charged with manslaughter because I too own a kitchen knife?
The "work with others to solve problem" issue here is that your solution is to beat the neighbor's cat because your dog crapped on the rug. Innocent people generally have a problem with being punished for stuff they have never done nor would ever do. Innocence is funny that way, it asks WTMF when people suggest punishing innocence because in the future, guilt is possible.
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I know that pro-2nd Amendment advocates say that we need guns to "keep the government from becoming abusive" and for "self-defense" and this is a reasonable concern, though I disagree with it. I don't know about guns to be clear, but I am not a fan of the 2nd Amendment, but what about a compromise?
It seems like shooters are more likely to be young.
I am 20, I can buy a military style gun, but in many states I can't rent a car. Many places you can't rent a car or if you get hit with huge fees if you are under 25.
It just seems weird that it can potentially be easier to get a military style gun than renting a car.
Perhaps to reduce violent shootings, should military style guns be made for only people 25 and above as a compromise against outright banning them?
"but I am not a fan of the 2nd Amendment"
Whoda thunk!
Why do you think NO anti-gun people have NEVER tried to amend the 2nd amendment and just passed new laws?
" a military style gun"
Her we go AGAIN. Just WHAT is a"military" style gun?
I have" military style clothing. Does that make a military person?
I know that pro-2nd Amendment advocates say that we need guns to "keep the government from becoming abusive" and for "self-defense" and this is a reasonable concern, though I disagree with it. I don't know about guns to be clear, but I am not a fan of the 2nd Amendment, but what about a compromise?
It seems like shooters are more likely to be young.
I am 20, I can buy a military style gun, but in many states I can't rent a car. Many places you can't rent a car or if you get hit with huge fees if you are under 25.
It just seems weird that it can potentially be easier to get a military style gun than renting a car.
Perhaps to reduce violent shootings, should military style guns be made for only people 25 and above as a compromise against outright banning them?
25 is not a government requirement. It's an insurance requirement. If gun-grabbers really wanted to get clever they'd force an insurance requirement, and then use that as a back door because insurance companies would do the dirty work of limiting age, and overcharging.
But is it ok to sell a gun to a 19 year old if it has a wooden stock? Is that ok with you?
So you can be sent to fight a pointless war when you're 18 but you cannot purchase a firearm or alcohol? When the politicians need you to go give your life, then the age is lowered? NFW.
Renting cars are not in the constitution. The constitution clearly says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON. They put it there for a reason.
None of the rights outlined in the US constitution are absolute and unlimited in scope, nor were they intended to be. The Founders weren't idiots. They wrote extensively on what might happen when one right clashes with another.
If they lie this much while under the microscope of the national press, imagine what has happened in the past. Might be worth looking into how many people have been put away based on these officers testifying - now that we know them to not tell the truth as pretty much a matter of principle.
In a world where Militaries around the world (especially the US Military) and Police (especially here in the US) have killed thousands of more innocent civilians than law-abiding citizens ever have, and where people like you never bat an eye over that loss of life... NO I will not be surrendering my firearms so that you can feel better.
You need to be calling for them to be disarmed first, as they've killed many more and if you can't fathom doing that then don't even think about trying to get citizens to go along with being penalized for protecting themselves. When police officers disarm for the killing of George Floyd and Philando Castile and The US Military disarms for the thousands of innocent civilians killed in OIF/OEF and Vietnam.... Then maybe I'll disarm
So - a well-armed populace doesn't work as a deterrent against police brutality?
In a world where Militaries around the world (especially the US Military) and Police (especially here in the US) have killed thousands of more innocent civilians than law-abiding citizens ever have, and where people like you never bat an eye over that loss of life... NO I will not be surrendering my firearms so that you can feel better.
You need to be calling for them to be disarmed first, as they've killed many more and if you can't fathom doing that then don't even think about trying to get citizens to go along with being penalized for protecting themselves. When police officers disarm for the killing of George Floyd and Philando Castile and The US Military disarms for the thousands of innocent civilians killed in OIF/OEF and Vietnam.... Then maybe I'll disarm
Well said!
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