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View Poll Results: Compromise: Only 25+ for Military Style Guns?
Yes 36 36.36%
No 63 63.64%
Voters: 99. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-28-2022, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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I know that pro-2nd Amendment advocates say that we need guns to "keep the government from becoming abusive" and for "self-defense" and this is a reasonable concern, though I disagree with it. I don't know about guns to be clear, but I am not a fan of the 2nd Amendment, but what about a compromise?

It seems like shooters are more likely to be young.

I am 20, I can buy a military style gun, but in many states I can't rent a car. Many places you can't rent a car or if you get hit with huge fees if you are under 25.

It just seems weird that it can potentially be easier to get a military style gun than renting a car.

Perhaps to reduce violent shootings, should military style guns be made for only people 25 and above as a compromise against outright banning them?
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Renting cars are not in the constitution. The constitution clearly says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON. They put it there for a reason.
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Keep in mind that in every state where adults cannot rent a vehicle until 25 (or otherwise have huge fees associated with renting if under 25), that is not a law, but practice and policies by private rental car companies. That's a big difference in terms of process and very relevant to this debate.

Gun companies can decide to not sell to people who are under 25 if they choose.
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:43 AM
 
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It's a silly comparison but I'm all for raising the minimum age of purchase to 21 for all firearms, IF the voting age is raised back to 21 as well. All "age of majority" laws should be a uniform 21 years of age. I think as a society we've proven since the 60's that 18 year olds are still very much children unless they've been toughened up in some way by the military or life circumstances.



I would also carve out an exceptions for active duty members of the military, and also allow for police apprenticeships to begin at 18 right out of high school. Currently, most departments won't hire you until you're 20 and then only if you'll be 21 by the time training is over because you can't own a handgun currently until the age of 21.
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:43 AM
 
Location: NY
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Human Brains are supposedly fully developed at this age.

Law makers can work with this data from here on in.....................exceptions for military ..etc....
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's a silly comparison but I'm all for raising the minimum age of purchase to 21 for all firearms, IF the voting age is raised back to 21 as well. All "age of majority" laws should be a uniform 21 years of age. I think as a society we've proven since the 60's that 18 year olds are still very much children unless they've been toughened up in some way by the military or life circumstances.



I would also carve out an exceptions for active duty members of the military, and also allow for police apprenticeships to begin at 18 right out of high school. Currently, most departments won't hire you until you're 20 and then only if you'll be 21 by the time training is over because you can't own a handgun currently until the age of 21.

So you can be sent to fight a pointless war when you're 18 but you cannot purchase a firearm or alcohol? When the politicians need you to go give your life, then the age is lowered? NFW.
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:50 AM
 
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Human Brains are supposedly fully developed at this age.

Law makers can work with this data from here on in.....................exceptions for military ..etc....
Actually, they aren't fully developed at this age. There's been much data to suggest the age of full development is around 25. Here's but one citation below. Many, many more studies on this.

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https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyc...ContentID=3051

It doesn’t matter how smart teens are or how well they scored on the SAT or ACT. Good judgment isn’t something they can excel in, at least not yet.

The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so.

In fact, recent research has found that adult and teen brains work differently. Adults think with the prefrontal cortex, the brain’s rational part. This is the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequences. Teens process information with the amygdala. This is the emotional part.

In teens' brains, the connections between the emotional part of the brain and the decision-making center are still developing—and not always at the same rate. That’s why when teens have overwhelming emotional input, they can’t explain later what they were thinking. They weren’t thinking as much as they were feeling.
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Evidently car rental companies have more common sense than congress relying on a 250 year old amendment. The drinking age in every state is 21 but you can buy a military style rifle at 18 years, sure that makes sense.
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:52 AM
 
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I know that pro-2nd Amendment advocates say that we need guns to "keep the government from becoming abusive" and for "self-defense" and this is a reasonable concern, though I disagree with it. I don't know about guns to be clear, but I am not a fan of the 2nd Amendment, but what about a compromise?

It seems like shooters are more likely to be young.

I am 20, I can buy a military style gun, but in many states I can't rent a car. Many places you can't rent a car or if you get hit with huge fees if you are under 25.

It just seems weird that it can potentially be easier to get a military style gun than renting a car.

Perhaps to reduce violent shootings, should military style guns be made for only people 25 and above as a compromise against outright banning them?
Please define what a"military STYLE gun is" to you.

"It seems"
Instead of guessing, do research.
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Evidently car rental companies have more common sense than congress relying on a 250 year old amendment. The drinking age in every state is 21 but you can buy a military style rifle at 18 years, sure that makes sense.
Should we disregard and not rely on the rest of the bill of rights because they are ~250 years old, too?
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