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Old 06-18-2022, 07:32 PM
 
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https://www.wvlt.tv/2022/06/17/texas...uvalde-police/

Keeps looking bad for the police.
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Old 06-20-2022, 05:18 AM
 
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Total SUCK from the republican party unfortunately who still will allow this, but awful.
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Old 06-20-2022, 12:41 PM
 
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That's the whole problem, it will be weaponized by those who are against the lawful possession of firearms.

If a person is adjudicated as mentally ill and a danger to themselves and to others then they should be institutionalized. If they can't be trusted to own a gun then it stands to reason that they shouldn't be able to get ahold of any object or substance that could be used to kill or cause grave bodily harm.

Like making a Molotov cocktail (Happyland Fire), pressure cooker bomb (Boston Marathon) or driving a vehicle into a crowd of parade goers (Waukesha Christmas parade). *Or something just as simple as pushing someone off of a subway platform into the path of an oncoming train.
I agree. If a person is mentally ill to the point they can't be trusted with a gun, they shouldn't be trusted with any of hundreds of other things that can be used to kill people.
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Old 06-20-2022, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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I agree. If a person is mentally ill to the point they can't be trusted with a gun, they shouldn't be trusted with any of hundreds of other things that can be used to kill people.
Nice diversionary tactic, but your logic fails.

It's called risk management. No other weapon can kill as many people as fast as a fully automatic or semi-automatic firearm. Except really big explosive devices and those materials are highly regulated. Firearms should be at least as well regulated as those explosive materials are.

Also it doesn't take much intelligence to kill people with a firearm. Probably no IQ is too low. To kill a large number of people by any other means would take an above average intelligence and probably education. But the type of people who would do this type of thing tend not to be the sharpest tools in the shed.

In short guns are the problem, not “other things”. As a society we need to solve problems, not non-problems.
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Old 06-20-2022, 03:03 PM
 
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Nice diversionary tactic, but your logic fails.

It's called risk management. No other weapon can kill as many people as fast as a fully automatic or semi-automatic firearm. Except really big explosive devices and those materials are highly regulated. Firearms should be at least as well regulated as those explosive materials are.

Also it doesn't take much intelligence to kill people with a firearm. Probably no IQ is too low. To kill a large number of people by any other means would take an above average intelligence and probably education. But the type of people who would do this type of thing tend not to be the sharpest tools in the shed.

In short guns are the problem, not “other things”. As a society we need to solve problems, not non-problems.
In 2020 (the latest year I have statistics for), there were fewer than 14,000 homicides by guns of all kinds in the US. I don't have the figures for non-fatal firearm injuries, but let's say that the non-fatal shooting injuries were about 5 times the number of homicides. That gives us roughly 84,000 people per year in the US who were shot by a gun of some kind (mostly handguns).

There are approximately 400,000,000 firearms of all kinds in the US. So, 84,000 divided by 400,000,000 equals 0.00021 = 0.021%. Therefore, 99.979% of ALL guns in the US shot NO ONE in 2020. I suppose that those 99.979% are somehow defective since they didn't shoot anyone.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...united-states/
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Old 06-20-2022, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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They cannot decide on a story. Now they used a crowbar like weapon to get in the room and not a key. The quote about the chief praying when he was using a key to unlock the door is now about them using the keys on other doors and not the classroom door. SMH They simply cannot tell the truth. They should not have jobs anymore and they need to be charged with something

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Old 06-20-2022, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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1 month after the Uvalde shooting, here are 5 questions that are still unanswered

1. Was the door locked? If it wasn't, I personally think the officers on the scene should be charged with some serious crimes.

2. Did an active shooter alert reach the community? I read before that the teacher in the classroom got an alert over email, now they are saying that the alert may not have been communicated through RAPTOR at all.

3. Were officers informed of 911 calls from inside the room? I'm not sure this one matters in the long run, since the officers were too cowardly to breach anyway.

4. Were responding officers appropriately trained? I think we know the answer to this one, since the responding officers did everything except what the training tells them to.

5. Are law enforcement official cooperating with the investigation? Nobody knows. We know that the city of Uvalde is avoiding FOIA requests like they're the plague.

From everything I've read about this shooting, it still looks like a FUBAR of epic proportions by every agency involved. City, state, and federal all had a hand in making this a much worse situation than it could have been.
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Old 06-20-2022, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Nice diversionary tactic, but your logic fails.

It's called risk management. No other weapon can kill as many people as fast as a fully automatic or semi-automatic firearm. Except really big explosive devices and those materials are highly regulated. Firearms should be at least as well regulated as those explosive materials are.

Also it doesn't take much intelligence to kill people with a firearm. Probably no IQ is too low. To kill a large number of people by any other means would take an above average intelligence and probably education. But the type of people who would do this type of thing tend not to be the sharpest tools in the shed.

In short guns are the problem, not “other things”. As a society we need to solve problems, not non-problems.
No, they aren't. We've had ownership of firearms in this country for our entire history. The AR-15 has been available to the public since the 1960s. School shootings such as we've seen recently are a relatively new phenomenon. Considering the plethora of firearms, it's obvious that something else is contributing to the fairly recent violence problem.
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