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My kid's HS had multiple buildings on the campus. There was a fence surrounding all of it, but the students moved between buildings, and were outside when that happened. There was also an outdoor learning area.
Then I guess the fence would need to have limited access gates.
The door wasn't *unlocked,* a teacher had propped the door open for whatever reason. Something so simple yet so stupid in light of what occurred.
This wasn't a "crime of opportunity," the killer planned to go to this school, which was in his district, and he was enrolled at or had gone to the high school, but had dropped out.
He apparently posted things on social media, that were waving red flags, over some period of time, anywhere from a day or 2 before to maybe a couple or more weeks before.
The issues are multifactorial. It's not just about hardening a building, though that is certainly important.
The U.S. has quite sophisticated technology and NSA resources and those should be used to profile and uncover males from ages 14 to 27, as an example, who have access to or own firearms, and have made at least 1 statement about wanting to do harm to a group of others, or whatever key search terms make sense that would and should raise red flags. And that's just one type of action needed.
Here we agree, sort of. Hardening perimeter is largely theater. A determined killer can shoot up a Burger King, Walmart, or as we saw in Buffalo a week or two ago, a supermarket. We cannot harden all well-attended targets without turning society into an open-air prison. Or, as we saw during the Covid lockdowns a closed-air prison. We have to follow the person, not even attempt to harden every target. As for armed guards and SWAT drills, we have a human element at work; most people want to be alive at the end of the day.
It doesn’t take much thought at all. Wayyyy too many violent criminals and repeat violent criminals on and getting thrown back on the street. The violent crime and mass shootings have skyrocketed since the summer of 2020, cries to defund the police, defending and enabling criminals, etc… Lock them up so they never see the light of day again.
I have many guns. They always behave, never go out on their own, and have never shot anyone. They’re not the problem, criminals are. Just think, no criminals, no need for police.
We incarcerate more people than any other country in the world.
So we still are the only country with this problem. We have more guns than citizens. We incarcerate more citizens than any other country, and you are saying that we aren’t incarcerating enough?
So we still are the only country with this problem. We have more guns than citizens. We incarcerate more citizens than any other country, and you are saying that we aren’t incarcerating enough?
Pretty much the reason why we needed prison reform, incarceration was another failed policy and we lead the world.
"Maybe you haven't been around a school over the course of a day but students are constantly entering and leaving the building. "
I have seen this mentioned by several people. Why are students leaving the school building throughout the day? Are you talking about recess or physical ed class? Why else would they leave?
Yes physical education, recess, lunch and sometimes classes and then there are different times for release at end of day. How do you protect students exiting schools and sporting events. Adolescents don't always obey the rules, same is true for adults.
Also schools are not the only problem, concerts, supermarkets, trains, no way this is a solution.
Yes physical education, recess, lunch and sometimes classes and then there are different times for release at end of day. How do you protect students exiting schools and sporting events. Also schools are not the only problem, concerts, supermarkets, trains, no way this is a solution.
But this is their solution. They say let’s focus on making schools secure or mental health in order to take away from talking about guns. Then nothing gets done because it costs too much, or that wouldn’t have stopped the shooting that just happened. It is the same strategy every single time.
Then the next shooting happens.
Focus on the guns. They are the one consistency between all the past shootings. They are why more kids die from guns than traffic accidents. They serve no purpose. If they did we would rank highest in freedom by a conservative think tank like the Heritage Foundation or Cato. We don’t. If the guns served a purpose out murder rate would be lower than other countries. It isn’t.
Focus on the guns. Undo the narrative that is basically like Huxleys Brave New World where we repeat it until it’s accepted as truth.
"Maybe you haven't been around a school over the course of a day but students are constantly entering and leaving the building. "
I have seen this mentioned by several people. Why are students leaving the school building throughout the day? Are you talking about recess or physical ed class? Why else would they leave?
Every school I work in has multiple buildings, portables, etc. Students go back and forth between classes.
So we still are the only country with this problem. We have more guns than citizens. We incarcerate more citizens than any other country, and you are saying that we aren’t incarcerating enough?
And let them out through the revolving door of justice to commit violent crime again. Capital punishment, life without parole would be great punishment.
The more guns than people argument holds zero water. I have at least 30 guns. They’ve never shot anyone. Keep defending and enabling violent criminals and the results will be the same. Put them away for life so they can’t do it again.
It's seem logical but I will tell you it's not a healthy environment for children to be locked in rooms all day long out of fear of death. The kind of society you will have after this kind of treatment is a scary thought. How will they grow up under these conditions?
My generation grew up just fine staying in school all day. Went out a bit after lunch and 3 times a week for gym class in nice weather. Kids adapt.
Then I guess the fence would need to have limited access gates.
It does.
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