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Old 06-10-2022, 08:32 AM
 
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You sound like one of those "WALL'S DON'T WORK" people.
Just like a WALL keeps out almost all illegals.....beefing up security at schools will stop almost all shootings.
Most illegals get in via airports. Walls don't go that high.
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Old 06-10-2022, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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So, why not allow them to choose?
No one is stopping them in Texas, but it never should be passed off as a solution. But this was viewed as an alternative to gun restrictions, it is not.
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Old 06-10-2022, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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No one is stopping them in Texas, but it never should be passed off as a solution. But this was viewed as an alternative to gun restrictions, it is not.
Actually, the school boards in Texas can block teachers from carrying a firearm. My understanding is that the school board in Uvalde did block it.

Arming teachers, however, is only one way to harden schools against psychopaths. And yes, hardening schools is an alternative to gun restrictions. We may disagree on how effective an alternative it is, but it is an alternative. It’s also an alternative that is constitutional, whereas the gun restrictions being pushed by the Democrats are not.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:07 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Actually, the school boards in Texas can block teachers from carrying a firearm. My understanding is that the school board in Uvalde did block it.

Arming teachers, however, is only one way to harden schools against psychopaths. And yes, hardening schools is an alternative to gun restrictions. We may disagree on how effective an alternative it is, but it is an alternative. It’s also an alternative that is constitutional, whereas the gun restrictions being pushed by the Democrats are not.
Hardening schools is ineffectual unless they are turned into prisons. Just this morning I was out jogging. I decided to cut across the school track, which has one entrance on the side of the school, the other on the side of my HOA. I was approached by a "security guard" who told me I couldn't be on school property. I nicely chose another route.

If I had been armed, he would have been helpless.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Hardening schools is ineffectual unless they are turned into prisons. Just this morning I was out jogging. I decided to cut across the school track, which has one entrance on the side of the school, the other on the side of my HOA. I was approached by a "security guard" who told me I couldn't be on school property. I nicely chose another route.

If I had been armed, he would have been helpless.
The minimum amount of security we should have at schools is the amount we have at courthouses and Capitol buildings. It’s a government building in which the government disallows providing for your own security. It is therefore the government’s obligation to provide security as it would at any other government building where self defense is prohibited.

Unless, of course, you believe that lawyers, judges, and politicians are more deserving of protection than children.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The minimum amount of security we should have at schools is the amount we have at courthouses and Capitol buildings. It’s a government building in which the government disallows providing for your own security. It is therefore the government’s obligation to provide security as it would at any other government building where self defense is prohibited.

Unless, of course, you believe that lawyers, judges, and politicians are more deserving of protection than children.
Impossible situation to guard a school with constant activities and then there are supermarkets, churches, concerts,....... Courthouses have one entrance, that would not work in a school.

Hundreds of thousands of school districts across the country and multiple campuses, no way this would be effective. This week many schools will be having graduations many of them outside, how do they defend.

Best solution would be to restrict guns and remove them from people with mental issues, Red Flag laws should be common ground.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Carrying in schools is a policy set by districts, not individual teachers. Very few districts have set up the programs. From here https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06...rshal-program/ 84 of 1200 school districts have opted in to the program:

"But since the bill’s passage into law in 2013, just 84 school districts have opted into the program, a sliver of the more than 1,200 school districts across the state. Of those districts, only 361 people have ever become a licensed school marshal across a state that has 9,000 campuses and more than 369,000 public school teachers."

So, 361 of 369,000 teachers in the state have chosen to participate. The requirements are fairly onerous, as they should be, with the teacher needing a LTC before starting the program, and taking an 80 hour training class on the topic.

Before the passage of HB1927 that allows permitless carry of handguns in Texas, there were just over 1 million LTC holders, or less than 4% of the state's population. Adjust for the age requirements, and it's still less than 10%. There just are not that many people who carry handguns in the state, and the rate among teachers is going to be lower.

DPS statistics show a 70-30 split male/female for LTC permits. Texas Education Agency statistics show a 75-25 split female/male for teachers. That means there are not many teachers even likely to be LTC holders.

There is no real desire among Texas teachers to be armed, and you cannot force them to be armed.
That’s a whole lot of strawman arguments and deflection, as things are much different now than 2013…and it’s great they have a choice. Who said to force them to be armed?
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Old 06-10-2022, 11:12 AM
 
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That’s a whole lot of strawman arguments and deflection, as things are much different now than 2013…and it’s great they have a choice. Who said to force them to be armed?
What strawman arguments? What deflection? I quoted published statistics and laws.
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Old 06-10-2022, 11:15 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Most illegals get in via airports. Walls don't go that high.
This is the level of intellectual dishonesty we have come to expect.
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Old 06-10-2022, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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What strawman arguments? What deflection? I quoted published statistics and laws.
Big mistake. Nobody reads anything any more. Do you have a video, or maybe a .gif file...?
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