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Citizens are the militia when need be. That doesn't negate the fact that it's private citizens with private firearms that the "right of the people cannot be infringed". You want to read the Dred Scott opinion where SCOTUS said slaves were not citizens and could not have free speech the right to assemble or carry arms wherever they go?
You don't like the 2nd amendment then work to get 2/3rds of Congress and 38 out of 50 states to repeal it. That way law abiding citizens will be disarmed and only the criminals (they will always find access to guns) and the government will have arms.
why don't you work to get the well regulated militia part removed since you like the rest of it?
The bolded may possibly be true it but doesn't just say militia.
It's funny how the founders are so brilliant when someone likes what they say, but their words are glossed over when someone doesn't like what they say.
The founders didn't say citizens are automatically a militia when needed, they said WELL REGULATED militia. That's doesn't just happen magically.
Go to the range and practice how to shoot a gun or rifle then like I do and you will be. Or take some classes like I did when I got my conceal carry.
if i do that
1) that doesn't make me part of a well regulated milita- that makes me someone who has some training with a gun.
2)you're at least acknowledging someone should have training with a firearm before being allowed to purchase it.
The 2nd amendment does NOT say "the ability to join a well regulated militia" it says "well regulated militia"
of which I'm not, and most posters on here are not a part of. "go do it" as you told me to do, doesn't qualify.
why don't you work to get the well regulated militia part removed since you like the rest of it?
The bolded may possibly be true it but doesn't just say militia.
It's funny how the founders are so brilliant when someone likes what they say, but their words are glossed over when someone doesn't like what they say.
The founders didn't say citizens are automatically a militia when needed, they said WELL REGULATED militia. That's doesn't just happen magically.
The founders did say the citizens were the militia. They wanted no standing army. All you have to do is read and comprehend, which may be tough for some of you.
The founders did say the citizens were the militia. They wanted no standing army. All you have to do is read and comprehend, which may be tough for some of you.
Where did they say they were a well regulated militia?
Do you think they used the term "well regulated "by mistake? The citizens are just magically well regulated?
Possibly since you just intentionally totally ignored it in your response, but the second amendment doesn't ignore it.
What part of the Constitution did SCOTUS cite to show that it wasn't absolute?
What part of the Constitution do THEY cite to show the 2A isn't "absolute"?
HINT: They don't. Ever. Because they can't. Because no part of the Constitution says any such thing. The only things the supposed "experts" point to, is other decisions made by the SCOTUS, and laws made by Congress and the States. None of which have any power to change what the Constitution says, unless they follow the amendment procedures. Which nobody has done for the 2A.
Why do you call such people "experts", when all they do is repeatedly try to violate the clear language and intent of the Constitution?
That won't change the meaning or effect of the amendment in the slightest.
But you're welcome to try, any time. It will keep you off the street and out of adults' ways as they work to fix what the leftists keep breaking.
I'm not the one scared of my own shadow who thinks I need a gun with me everywhere I go. And i'm far from a leftist. I'm also not some sheep who lets politicians tell me what to think on every issue like most of this country does. You comment assuming I'm a leftist because I can actually read the entire amendment is pretty telling. You like most let yourself get painted into a box on tons of issues politically that are completely unrelated. And these people who can't even think for themselves are the ones you call adults.
why don't you work to get the well regulated militia part removed since you like the rest of it?
Because I don't need to have it removed.
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The bolded may possibly be true it but doesn't just say militia.
It's funny how the founders are so brilliant when someone likes what they say, but their words are glossed over when someone doesn't like what they say.
The founders didn't say citizens are automatically a militia when needed, they said WELL REGULATED militia. That's doesn't just happen magically.
Well regulated means trained to operate arms and ready to be called if needed. The founders didn't even specify that the State is the only body that can form a militia. There are plenty of militias operating right now. I can form a militia if I wanted and be "well regulated" and ready.
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if i do that
1) that doesn't make me part of a well regulated milita- that makes me someone who has some training with a gun.
You can always join a militia if you want. Here is a list of militia organizations by state You can join one in your state if you like. That way you can be "well regulated"
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2)you're at least acknowledging someone should have training with a firearm before being allowed to purchase it.
Common sense.
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The 2nd amendment does NOT say "the ability to join a well regulated militia" it says "well regulated militia"
of which I'm not, and most posters on here are not a part of. "go do it" as you told me to do, doesn't qualify.
Yeah it says the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Not the right of a well regulated militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Who do you think owned the guns for the militia? The state or private citizens?
Well regulated means trained to operate arms and ready to be called if needed. The founders didn't even specify that the State is the only body that can form a militia. There are plenty of militias operating right now. I can form a militia if I wanted and be "well regulated" and ready.
You can always join a militia if you want. Here is a list of militia organizations by state You can join one in your state if you like. That way you can be "well regulated"
Common sense.
Yeah it says the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Not the right of a well regulated militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Who do you think owned the guns for the militia? The state or private citizens?
"i can form a militia" who cares you haven't.
"militias exist that you can join" - who cares I haven't and most haven't.
I get it the founding fathers were so brilliant but they just put that term in there totally by accident which is always ignored by people hiding behind an amendment they love so much. Mistakes do happen I guess.
As you see they no longer care for the 1st amendment either, only a matter of time before they say the same about the 4th, 5th and 6th.
And then one day you will wake up, make some coffee, turn on the news and see them saying openly that the constitution is just outdated and needs to be abolished. Some of the left are already saying it. This is why they want control in schools and control over speech, to indoctrinate enough so they choose to vote their rights way.
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