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Old 05-23-2008, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Oil Platforms off the Florida and California coasts only make sense.

We have a heck of oil reserves here in the United States. Its time to get them
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Mott Haven
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I dunno understand the need to drill around the world in a nonstop March, at the expense of everything, for some sort of never ending quest for oil. The answer is not oil fields in everyone's backyard....and you are not unAmerican for thinking that. The ONLY solution is reducing demand...not continuing to thirst for more oil. Cut back on 3,000sf homes that are 10 miles from cities and business districts, cut back on gigantic shopping plazas 20 miles from civilization, reduce the ever expanding exurbs and suburbs that require driving for everything, eliminate the giant, unnecessary SUVs, etc. Reducing consumption by modifying your lifestyle is the only solution, not trying to keep up with an insatiable and wasteful lifestyle.

Reduce your dependance on oil, decrease the demand, and prices will fall. Why is this so difficult a concept? Are we, as Americans, guaranteed a wasteful lifestyle at the expense of the environment, as well as other industrializing nations? The best thing that has happened is the dramatic price increase at the pump, as it will hopefully awaken people to their wasteful and detrimental ways. Maybe now you will think twice about buying the pick-up truck as it is unneccary and wasteful....maybe now they will think about buying the large home and instead buy something smaller, closer to the city, where they will1/2 the costs for heating/expenses, and not have to drive 4 miles for a quart of milk, maybe now they will reduce consumption so that we can decrease the monumental waste that we produce..and on and on.

I am hoping gas hits $5 a gallon..and people rethink what it means to live..and how we should live..decrease the waste..decrease the excesses, decrease the demand...and in the end, we will be a stronger, healthier, happier nation for it.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:55 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Actually, it was Jebidiah Bush who said "think of the condo owners" from what I remember.

Now that the FL beachfront condo market was exposed for the Ponzi scheme that it was, I guess we'll be firing up the production in them there parts.
How far off shore were the wells going to be anyway?
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I dunno understand the need to drill around the world in a nonstop March, at the expense of everything, for some sort of never ending quest for oil. The answer is not oil fields in everyone's backyard....and you are not unAmerican for thinking that. The ONLY solution is reducing demand...not continuing to thirst for more oil. Cut back on 3,000sf homes that are 10 miles from cities and business districts, cut back on gigantic shopping plazas 20 miles from civilization, reduce the ever expanding exurbs and suburbs that require driving for everything, eliminate the giant, unnecessary SUVs, etc. Reducing consumption by modifying your lifestyle is the only solution, not trying to keep up with an insatiable and wasteful lifestyle.

Reduce your dependance on oil, decrease the demand, and prices will fall. Why is this so difficult a concept? Are we, as Americans, guaranteed a wasteful lifestyle at the expense of the environment, as well as other industrializing nations? The best thing that has happened is the dramatic price increase at the pump, as it will hopefully awaken people to their wasteful and detrimental ways. Maybe now you will think twice about buying the pick-up truck as it is unneccary and wasteful....maybe now they will think about buying the large home and instead buy something smaller, closer to the city, where they will1/2 the costs for heating/expenses, and not have to drive 4 miles for a quart of milk, maybe now they will reduce consumption so that we can decrease the monumental waste that we produce..and on and on.

I am hoping gas hits $5 a gallon..and people rethink what it means to live..and how we should live..decrease the waste..decrease the excesses, decrease the demand...and in the end, we will be a stronger, healthier, happier nation for it.
I'm hoping for the same, but I'm hoping for the prices to creep up as opposed to spiking to $5 so America can adapt to the change.

Getting a tiny bit more oil will just repeat what happened after the gas spike post-Katrina. A sigh of relief and more consumerism for vehicles Americans couldn't ultimately afford to fuel. These perverbial drug addicts saying that we should drill more miss this point.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:57 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I dunno understand the need to drill around the world in a nonstop March, at the expense of everything, for some sort of never ending quest for oil. The answer is not oil fields in everyone's backyard....and you are not unAmerican for thinking that. The ONLY solution is reducing demand...not continuing to thirst for more oil. Cut back on 3,000sf homes that are 10 miles from cities and business districts, cut back on gigantic shopping plazas 20 miles from civilization, reduce the ever expanding exurbs and suburbs that require driving for everything, eliminate the giant, unnecessary SUVs, etc. Reducing consumption by modifying your lifestyle is the only solution, not trying to keep up with an insatiable and wasteful lifestyle.

Reduce your dependance on oil, decrease the demand, and prices will fall. Why is this so difficult a concept? Are we, as Americans, guaranteed a wasteful lifestyle at the expense of the environment, as well as other industrializing nations? The best thing that has happened is the dramatic price increase at the pump, as it will hopefully awaken people to their wasteful and detrimental ways. Maybe now you will think twice about buying the pick-up truck as it is unneccary and wasteful....maybe now they will think about buying the large home and instead buy something smaller, closer to the city, where they will1/2 the costs for heating/expenses, and not have to drive 4 miles for a quart of milk, maybe now they will reduce consumption so that we can decrease the monumental waste that we produce..and on and on.

I am hoping gas hits $5 a gallon..and people rethink what it means to live..and how we should live..decrease the waste..decrease the excesses, decrease the demand...and in the end, we will be a stronger, healthier, happier nation for it.
TWO BILLION PLUS Indians and Chinese will take whatever oil you choose not to use,there is a GLOBAL demand for oil.

People need to stop looking at this as a US issue.

Cut back all you want,it won't make a difference.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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How far off shore were the wells going to be anyway?
They were supposed to be visible as a mere speck on the horizon, but the NIMBY sickness took over.

Now that these condos are essentially worthless relative to their former value, I'm sure it won't be as much of a problem.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I am hoping gas hits $5 a gallon..and people rethink what it means to live..and how we should live..decrease the waste..decrease the excesses, decrease the demand...and in the end, we will be a stronger, healthier, happier nation for it.
Please, keep in mind that driving (gasoline) is but one component of the demand for oil in this country.

Do you get PLASTIC bags where you grocery shop?

The Cloths you buy: Are they on PLASTIC hangers?

How about the packaging for that new toy for the kids? How much PLASTIC is there?

And, how about that medical equipment at your doctors office? Any PLASTIC there?

Or, that IV line?

Yes, consumption of gasoline can be reduced - somewhat.

But, it is not the only demand this nation places on the use of oil.

We have so many oil based products out there - I think we often forget that.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:58 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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We darned well should drill! We can't keep whining and complaining and not drill in our own backyard for our own oil. Bunch of selfish wimps, that's what we are. It's an embarrassment.

Everyone agrees (yet little is done about it) that we have to look for alternative sources of energy up to an including nuclear. But it will take years to get there and in the meantime, we need energy. Some of us are going to have to let go of our 'druthers and face reality.

We continue to support foreign nations we should not support simply because we won't use our own resources.

If we can put up cell towers so people can chat endlessly about nothing, we can sure have an oil rig or two on the landscape.
It will not take years to get there, there's already alternative energy out there. But because the oil companies are the real whiners here, government keeps bowing down to them. This is the perfect time to start touting alternative energy & to actually implement it. Makes sense, right?
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:00 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Of course didn't some famous political family put a stop to a wind farm up north.....who was it again???????

NIMBYism is quite popular amongst almost everyone....

As to hoping prices go up so people will be FORCED to conserve,this will only affect the poorer members of society,don't you CARE about the poor folks???

why do you hate poor people?
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Of course didn't some famous political family put a stop to a wind farm up north.....who was it again???????

NIMBYism is quite popular amongst almost everyone....

As to hoping prices go up so people will be FORCED to conserve,this will only affect the poorer members of society,don't you CARE about the poor folks???

why do you hate poor people?
Oh totally in agreement. The Marxist hypocrites not wanting wind farms off the MA coast because of the blight and a few birds getting cut up in the blades. That's actually WORSE than not wanting oil rigs because the environmental impact of wind farms is substantially lower.
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