What would you want for new gun control? (insurance, felons, politicians)

[FatBob96]

Originally Posted by mkpunk

Isn't possession 9/10 of the law? Anywho you have a sunset phase to use existing clips and ban current sales. The fact is there is no reason high capacity magazines should be allowed to be purchased much less used especially when the known issue is used for mass murders. Why are you, the gun lobby and gun nuts against protecting people by making a simple compromise?

Semiautomatics make up approximately HALF if the 300+ million guns already in the hands of the general populace.

Figuring that each one of those gun's owners have at least two magazines for it .......and BTW MAGAZINES are reloadable....you can't "sunset them" and expect them to get used up lol.

That means that there's over 300 million "high capacity" magazines out there.....all of which can be reloaded time and time again.

How many of those 300 million have been used in mass shootings?

A miniscule percentage.

Oh.....and a "compromise" is when both sides are willing to give a little to get a little.

What are YOU giving in return?

[Floorist]

Originally Posted by Fisherman99

3 of those other countries that changed their gun laws successfully curbing mass shootings are Australia, UK, & New Zealand...way overdue in America



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...g9uFEEwwIJ6J2l

Those countries rarely had shootings anyway. In New Zealand, they estimate that 10% of guns were turned in. Australia has one of the biggest black markets for guns in the world. The UK has so many stabbings now, they have severe restrictions on knives and the gangs run the streets because they have nothing to fear.

[Floorist]

Originally Posted by ansible90

Sounds obsessed to me.

My rights don't stop where your feelings begin.

[Volobjectitarian]

Originally Posted by mkpunk

I would make it 10 tops. That is the typical amount for both hand-gun and rifle cartridges on the high end. High capacity cartridges or banana clips should not be allowed and I do not understand why they currently are and are supported by the gun owners and more so gun nuts. FYI, what I call gun nuts are the ones that use the slippery slope as their reasoning to not allow that, bump stock bans or the assault weapons ban to be reinstated.

10 round magazines are not a standard for hand guns. 12-17 rounds is, for almost everything other than single stacked .45 ACP. In fact, if a single number represents the average, then 15 rounds is the semiauto handgun standard.

Magazine fed bolt action rifles? Yes, 10 round magazines are standard.

[Three Wolves In Snow]

Originally Posted by RomulusXXV

I don't know if this has already been suggested, but . . .is this obsession with guns SOLELY an 'American' phenomenon? Is it Americans themselves who are under some mass inherited red-neck delusion that their future survival is dependent on their ability to protect themselves at all costs - from the government or whomever - with a gun? If so, has anyone actually considered the idea of looking to other countries whose populations DON'T have an obsession with guns and as to how they somehow manage to get by without a second amendment?

This is a serious question.

This may come as a surprise to the staunch nationalistic American (not all of you, I realize this), but ...there REALLY ARE other countries out there that DO have sufficient freedoms that enable them to live satisfying, productive and non-threatening lives ....even though they may not have a second amendment to wave round like some nationalistic flag. To be sure, as expected, they do have their own share of problems. But these problems don't involve being randomly shot at by some gun-crazed individual. Why is this? How are these people different from 'Americans'?

Again, a serious question.

I seriously question what they are teaching in schools. How do people not know this?

It's not an 'obsession'. There was a very good reason that our Forefathers included that in the Bill of Rights.

It was not about hunting.

It was not about shooting at burglars.

It was not about settling a beef with some other idiot on the street corner.

There was one, and one reason only, that they added that into the Bill of Rights.

Where did our founders of this nation come from?

Who ruled over them?

Who decided that they'd had enough, they were tired of the crown, and they were leaving. And they left. And they decided to create their own government based on WHAT THEY HAD LEARNED after living under the crown.

They wanted freedom, and they were smart enough to know that governments have tried, and would continue to try, to take away the freedom of the people. And governments have seriously repressed and/or slaughtered millions of their own people, once they have done just that

Stalin and the Holodomor, anyone?

Pol Pot, anyone?

Fascist scumbag Il Duce, anyone?

Ceausescu and the Romanian Revolution, anyone?

These were not in the dark, distant past. Romania - 1989. A lot of people on this forum were alive in 1989. Cambodia and Pol Pot? A lot of people on this forum were alive during his dictatorship, which ended in 1979. Il Duce? That ended in 1945. Everyone talks about WWII, but act like Il Duce was 'like, way back in the dark ages, man'. No, he wasn't. Stalin? That ended in 1953. How did it all happen? Because Stalin decided to collectivize agriculture in 1929.

Keep that in mind for the future, and pay very close attention to what your government creatures say they want to do.

Does no one learn history? Do schools teach that anymore, or is it too much for the over-sensitive youth, these days?

There is a reason we have the 2nd Amendment. (And no, Stupid Biden, it is not something you can take away you lousy, demented, pile of rotting horse crap!)

We have the 2nd Amendment in case the government gets too big for its britches - which it is FAST approaching, especially since Biden decided that he would be more than delighted to allow the WHO and the UN to decide FOR US what we can and cannot do in another plandemic. (The good news is, numbnuts didn't get his amendments in on time, so he has to wait until next year when these commie sht heels meet again. But he's ready to give them all the power that they want.)

The 2nd Amendment is so that those who gain power do not continue to try to gain more and more and more to the point that they take away our freedom and they decide to slaughter us all, OR, so that they don't give it to other 'organizations' that we never voted for, cannot vote for, cannot vote out, and cannot question - because history shows governments/rulers/dictators/etc doing that over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.

WITH that freedom that Dipwad Biden cannot take away, because the government did. not. give. it. to. us, comes issues with people who abuse that right.

It also comes with perks like: going hunting and defending yourself against those who don't give a rat's ass about laws, or regulations, or policies, or anything but themselves.

"nO oNe NeeDs aN aR-15, omg!" First of all, understand wth an AR-15 actually is. Let me help some of the clueless out: It is not an 'automatic rifle', it does not 'spray bullets everywhere', it is not 'more dangerous than other hunting rifles'..."BUT! They can alter it! And that makes it dangerous!!!" As they can all kinds of other guns - and most of those alterations are...guess what? Illegal! We already have laws on the books, writing more isn't going to change anything.

Our so called 'obsession' is because it is our right to protect ourselves.....

FROM. OUR. OWN. GOVERNMENT!

And a lot of anti gun types like to say out one side of their mouth that "you don't need....blah, blah, blah some gun I don't understand", while out the other side of their mouth they say, "You will never outgun the military or the police". So, maybe we DO need exactly what they say we don't need, because that is the entire damn reason for our 2nd Amendment.

The hunting and home defense are just perks.

[roodd279]

"You will never outgun the military or the police".

Meh. In the situation where they are "the enemy" a good number of them - perhaps more than half - will be on the other side, shooting back. So that's a weak argument, in the context of rebellion.

[Volobjectitarian]

Originally Posted by roodd279

"You will never outgun the military or the police".

Meh. In the situation where they are "the enemy" a good number of them - perhaps more than half - will be on the other side, shooting back. So that's a weak argument, in the context of rebellion.

This, and also...

Neither the Viet Cong/NVA in Vietnam, nor the mujahadeen of Afghanistan "outgunned" the US military. Who retreated from whom, and why?

The Continental Army and the Colonial militias did not "outgun" the forces of King George III. Who surrendered to whom?

To paraphrase a favorite movie, in the context of of why insurgencies often hold even vastly superior forces at bay, often to the point of forcing retreat/defeat - "it isn't the violence that sets men apart, it's the distance you are willing to go."

There's a reason in every tactical wargame ever written, defenders ALWAYS have statistically superior odds against equal or even superior numbers of attackers. Defenders are fighting for their life, their family, their property, while attackers are fighting as ordered by some bureaucrat who seeks more money/power/possession. The defender is almost always willing to go a much farther distance than the attacker, and that is why an armed populace can hold a tyrant at bay for a really long time.

[SunGrins]

What would you want for new gun control?

This topic has been thrashed about for decades and the gun nuts always come out and pretend that their precious guns are being taken away at every suggested solution. That is ridiculous but they are sold that lie by the NRA and gun manufacturers. The 2nd Amendment does not grant them the right to own any and all types of firearms or weaponry and it never has. Its purpose was to guarantee that the states had the right and resources to raise and maintain "well regulated" militias in the absence of a standing national army. The right to bear arms was never in question. Americans possessed firearms before the 2nd Amendment was ratified and it was a right passed down from English Common Law. That is not to say that the government does not have the right to restrict or regulate personal firearms.

Assault weapons of whatever type, kind, or modification are unwarranted and have no place in society. Large magazines, bump stocks, or automatic firing modifications have no place or purpose. Unregulated and unregistered firearms have no place in society. Indiscriminate distribution, sale, and transfer of firearms of any kind has no place in society. Open carry has no place in society.

We are living in a gun culture country and that will not change. No one will confiscate all of your guns. It isn't going to happen so give up on the lie that it is. Some opponents might advocate for a gun-free society but it will not happen. Rational and reasoned controls and regulations will happen and gun owners need to recognize that and work toward that goal in a conscious and unemotional manner. The mass shootings in schools, churches, and other public venues will eventually create a groundswell of anti-gun sentiment and harping on a false interpretation of the 2nd Amendment will not save you.

[Toyman at Jewel Lake]

Originally Posted by FatBob96

Semiautomatics make up approximately HALF if the 300+ million guns already in the hands of the general populace.

Figuring that each one of those gun's owners have at least two magazines for it .......and BTW MAGAZINES are reloadable....you can't "sunset them" and expect them to get used up lol.

That means that there's over 300 million "high capacity" magazines out there.....all of which can be reloaded time and time again.

How many of those 300 million have been used in mass shootings?

A miniscule percentage.

Oh.....and a "compromise" is when both sides are willing to give a little to get a little.

What are YOU giving in return?

When good compromises with evil, evil wins. The gun owners of America have compromised far, far too much already.

[Stone28]

We need to duplicate the Japanese model