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I think people need to take a breath and go back to revisit what the intent of the Second Amendment is.
It is NOT about general safety among the populace.
The purpose is to protect people from government that could make itself too powerful and overwhelm the citizens.
We are seeing the government today trying to influence the citizens to remove the very protection that protects us from them.
Over two centuries ago the founders knew enough to provide us this protection from the government. It will always be needed because people are the same and the enticement of the power from being in government will always be there.
I don't think the government would be worried about citizens with guns...
On top of that, conservatives love guns so much that they think any regulation makes them think you're trying to take their toy away. They try to turn it into a more serious conversation about fighting tyranny.
Dude you are not going to fight against the tyrannical government okay? You are not the Viet-Cong you are not the Taliban. You will never be able to fight successfully against the American government if it wanted to shove its boot up your ass, as it does all day every day. And all you do is just shut up and you keep consuming the garbage that you consume on a daily basis and refuse to recognize that you're being f*ed over all the g*ddamn time. So it's already happening. You talk about a tyrannical government but we're already here.
A tyrannical government isn't when they tell you you can't get a five-dollar jalapeno popper at Applebee's It's the surveillance state that we have, it's the police state that we have, and it's the severe lack of freedom of travel that you engage in as long as it's done through a capitalist framework. Most Americans a cucked when they're like "I deserve to be in a situation where I can't pay for health care" You know what I mean there are people who legitimately believe that they think that that's not tyranny they think it's not medical tyranny when you can't get health care because it's just too expensive you're paying a butt-load out of pocket. You're terrified to go to the doctor because you don't want to get medically bankrupt. That's medical tyranny. But to you, the real health care tyranny is when the government's like "here's a free vaccine".
None of these conservative pricks are gonna get together and actively dismantle the federal government. They're not gonna be able to do that, and the republican party is already doing that. The democratic party is also looking over and allowing that to happen anyways. And they're doing it at the best of corporations.
You are powerless and if you think you're a brave hero a brave mujahideen who's gonna be able to fight back against the American government and like actually organize, guess what dude you can't even organize in a workplace. Good luck! You don't even want to organize in your damn workplace. You're like "yeah we're gonna fight back against the government that's why I need a gun". Bro, you can't even fight back against your boss who’s taking advantage of you. You don't even have control over your own life as an adult dude. 80% of your life is spent in a corporate office or in some kind of workplace and you have no control over that. You can't even organize to take control over that in some meaningful capacity because you think that's communism. Then you turn around and you think you're gonna fight back against tyranny when the government is already screwing you on behalf of corpos.
I don't think the government would be worried about citizens with guns...
On top of that, conservatives love guns so much that they think any regulation makes them think you're trying to take their toy away. They try to turn it into a more serious conversation about fighting tyranny.
Dude you are not going to fight against the tyrannical government okay? You are not the Viet-Cong you are not the Taliban. You will never be able to fight successfully against the American government if it wanted to shove its boot up your ass, as it does all day every day. And all you do is just shut up and you keep consuming the garbage that you consume on a daily basis and refuse to recognize that you're being f*ed over all the g*ddamn time. So it's already happening. You talk about a tyrannical government but we're already here.
A tyrannical government isn't when they tell you you can't get a five-dollar jalapeno popper at Applebee's It's the surveillance state that we have, it's the police state that we have, and it's the severe lack of freedom of travel that you engage in as long as it's done through a capitalist framework. Most Americans a cucked when they're like "I deserve to be in a situation where I can't pay for health care" You know what I mean there are people who legitimately believe that they think that that's not tyranny they think it's not medical tyranny when you can't get health care because it's just too expensive you're paying a butt-load out of pocket. You're terrified to go to the doctor because you don't want to get medically bankrupt. That's medical tyranny. But to you, the real health care tyranny is when the government's like "here's a free vaccine".
None of these conservative pricks are gonna get together and actively dismantle the federal government. They're not gonna be able to do that, and the republican party is already doing that. The democratic party is also looking over and allowing that to happen anyways. And they're doing it at the best of corporations.
You are powerless and if you think you're a brave hero a brave mujahideen who's gonna be able to fight back against the American government and like actually organize, guess what dude you can't even organize in a workplace. Good luck! You don't even want to organize in your damn workplace. You're like "yeah we're gonna fight back against the government that's why I need a gun". Bro, you can't even fight back against your boss who’s taking advantage of you. You don't even have control over your own life as an adult dude. 80% of your life is spent in a corporate office or in some kind of workplace and you have no control over that. You can't even organize to take control over that in some meaningful capacity because you think that's communism. Then you turn around and you think you're gonna fight back against tyranny when the government is already screwing you on behalf of corpos.
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If they weren't scared, they wouldn't be erecting their Capitol border wall and positioning thousands of troops to protect themselves whenever they felt threatened.
If they weren't scared, they wouldn't be erecting their Capitol border wall and positioning thousands of troops to protect themselves whenever they felt threatened.
Im talking about if the government became tyrannical.
Also they put barricades on the White House and other monuments in 2020. Remember “dominate the streets”?
And for the record, as my post stated, America’s government has always been tyrannical. Often times if you weren’t white you’d know.
But even now, it still is. Try standing up to police, try organizing. Corpos would crush your worker movement via the police.
You guys are more upset about not being able to eat your Big Macs inside the McDonalds than the lack of police accountability or the fact that we’re ruled by CEOs who can care less about you.
I think people need to take a breath and go back to revisit what the intent of the Second Amendment is.
It is NOT about general safety among the populace.
The purpose is to protect people from government that could make itself too powerful and overwhelm the citizens.
.
You just made that up out of thin air.
In fact, the framers TOLD us what the intent is:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..."
In 1787 the US did not have a standing army, nor any plans to have one. In case of an invasion by a foreign power, we needed to rely on rapid call up of a citizen militia.
It's highly unlikely that the military would be used against American civilians. They'd have to obliterate every single town, village, city and neighborhood. If so the military would have to destroy their own friends, family and neighborhoods. There would be absolutely nothing left for them to come back to. If the civilian population were destroyed who'd supply the military with supplies? There'd be nobody left to work the factories, farm the fields and deliver the supplies. All commerce would come to a grinding halt.
About the only way they could possibly do it would be to go on house to house searches where they would be met with overwhelming and fierce resistance. With a continental land mass of 3,800,000 square miles they just don't have the manpower to search every home throughout the United States. Not too mention all of the remote areas that hardly anyone knows even exist. Indeed there are tens of thousands of people who live in these places throughout the United States. The armed civilian population are scattered all over the continental United States, Alaska and Hawaii. It would be impossible for the military to declare and enforce Martial Law throughout the entire United States.
The armed civilian population at around 100 million or so would vastly outnumber government forces. According to Wikipedia, there are 1,477,896 active and 1,458,500 reserve personal in the US Armed Forces. This includes Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard. I'd be willing to bet that at least 75% of those who serve in the military are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment and Constitutional law same for state and local law enforcement personnel. My guess is that the majority of service members would disobey orders, and in all probability would use their weapons against those that ordered them to do so. It wouldn't surprise me if they joined forces with the civilian population that takes up arms in the fight against a tyrannical form of government. The first to go would be the politicians that gave the orders.
It's highly unlikely that the military would be used against American civilians. They'd have to obliterate every single town, village, city and neighborhood. If so the military would have to destroy their own friends, family and neighborhoods. There would be absolutely nothing left for them to come back to. If the civilian population were destroyed who'd supply the military with supplies? There'd be nobody left to work the factories, farm the fields and deliver the supplies. All commerce would come to a grinding halt.
About the only way they could possibly do it would be to go on house to house searches where they would be met with overwhelming and fierce resistance. With a continental land mass of 3,800,000 square miles they just don't have the manpower to search every home throughout the United States. Not too mention all of the remote areas that hardly anyone knows even exist. Indeed there are tens of thousands of people who live in these places throughout the United States. The armed civilian population are scattered all over the continental United States, Alaska and Hawaii. It would be impossible for the military to declare and enforce Martial Law throughout the entire United States.
The armed civilian population at around 100 million or so would vastly outnumber government forces. According to Wikipedia, there are 1,477,896 active and 1,458,500 reserve personal in the US Armed Forces. This includes Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard. I'd be willing to bet that at least 75% of those who serve in the military are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment and Constitutional law same for state and local law enforcement personnel. My guess is that the majority of service members would disobey orders, and in all probability would use their weapons against those that ordered them to do so. It wouldn't surprise me if they joined forces with the civilian population that takes up arms in the fight against a tyrannical form of government. The first to go would be the politicians that gave the orders.
Any soldier that obeyed an order to attack a US citizen would find his own family at risk.
Any soldier that obeyed an order to attack a US citizen would find his own family at risk.
Exactly. Essentially the US Government, if it became tyrannical, would need a huge shift and they would have to do a purge of military personnel that isn't lockstep.
You would need a leader with fanatical followers. That would be armed and see the other half of the country as 'traitors' or 'not true patriots'.
You coopt American patriotism, and perhaps an entire religion(Christianity) and use it to your advantage.
Fascism will come to America on a cross and wrapped in an American flag. Essentially.
The current government for the past 100 years has been authoritarian. It was moreso towards minorities in the past, still is but not as bad. But overall, with the war on drugs, and the Roe vs Wade being threatened. It's always been authoritarian.
Conservatives think the tyrannical government is when you can sit down at a food court and stuff your face with processed food. Nope.
Any soldier that obeyed an order to attack a US citizen would find his own family at risk.
Of course they would that's the whole point. After denigrating and insulting both the military and law enforcement a lot of Leftists think that the rank and file members of the military and law enforcement are on their side and would go to war against their fellow citizens. Unbelievable!!!
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