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Old 05-31-2022, 05:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Leona Valley View Post
Rape rates are higher in Sweden, Australia, Belgium, and other countries. You think armed women are raped? Most women are raped in cities that restrict carry.

This simple fact is Australia had a massive gun confiscation and rapes increased by half or more over the next decade. While the US saw a fifty percent drop in rapes while the number of guns owned by American DOUBLED.
Oh good lawd, I’d like to see the cite on that whopper, please.

Show me the evidence that rapes in Australia went up by 50% or more after 1996.

Sexual assaults increased slightly after 1996 - but this is attributed to increases in reporting, women coming forward more often (and note sexual assault includes rape but is not limited to only rape) not because women in Australia were not able to arm themselves any longer.

And do you know how we know this? Because women in Australia never did arm themselves. Carrying a gun in your purse is not, and has never been, part of Australian culture.

But the OP does bring up a good point, violence against women is still a huge problem in all civilised countries even as violent crime as a whole is reduced.

The issue with allowing guns for self defence is that there is effectively then no way to restrict gun ownership, everyone can claim self defence, and next thing we’re like the US where not only are you raped or robbed but you’re raped or robbed and then shot to boot. No thank you.

The murder rate in Australia is 0.8/100,000, compared to 5.3/100,000 in the US. Guns for self defence don’t seem to be helping much.
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Old 05-31-2022, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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If there was a national standard on what guns could be bought and sold, and who could buy them and sell them, you would replace 50 sets of laws plus federal laws with 1 set of federal laws. It would probably be easier to enforce.
Why is it so hard to enforce existing laws?

They are not being enforced.
For instance: If you commit a "gun crime" in Los Angeles,
the DA will not add a "gun enhancement" to the charges.
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Old 05-31-2022, 05:27 PM
 
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The murder rate in Australia is 0.8/100,000, compared to 5.3/100,000 in the US. Guns for self defence don’t seem to be helping much.
Murder rates in some other countries with gun controls in place:

Japan 0.26
Australia 0.89
Germany 0.95
Denmark 1.01
Sweden 1.10
United Kingdom 1.20
Israel 1.49
Canada 1.76
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Old 05-31-2022, 05:29 PM
 
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Oh good lawd, I’d like to see the cite on that whopper, please.

Show me the evidence that rapes in Australia went up by 50% or more after 1996.

Sexual assaults increased slightly after 1996 - but this is attributed to increases in reporting, women coming forward more often (and note sexual assault includes rape but is not limited to only rape) not because women in Australia were not able to arm themselves any longer.

And do you know how we know this? Because women in Australia never did arm themselves. Carrying a gun in your purse is not, and has never been, part of Australian culture.

But the OP does bring up a good point, violence against women is still a huge problem in all civilised countries even as violent crime as a whole is reduced.

The issue with allowing guns for self defence is that there is effectively then no way to restrict gun ownership, everyone can claim self defence, and next thing we’re like the US where not only are you raped or robbed but you’re raped or robbed and then shot to boot. No thank you.

The murder rate in Australia is 0.8/100,000, compared to 5.3/100,000 in the US. Guns for self defence don’t seem to be helping much.
Oh puulease, Australia is only slightly large than the US’s third most populous state and with FAR less urban areas. Don’t aussies need a smart phone to speak with their nearest neighbors as they are several miles away? No Shyyyte you have a lower murder rate, it’s because you’re A LOT smaller and are more spread out. Lack of guns has nothing to do with it, it just makes you look silly because Australia’s a frickin’ wilderness with the exception of Sidney.
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Old 05-31-2022, 05:43 PM
 
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Oh puulease, Australia is only slightly large than the US’s third most populous state and with FAR less urban areas. Don’t aussies need a smart phone to speak with their nearest neighbors as they are several miles away? No Shyyyte you have a lower murder rate, it’s because you’re A LOT smaller and are more spread out. Lack of guns has nothing to do with it, it just makes you look silly because Australia’s a frickin’ wilderness with the exception of Sidney.
Yeah NAH as we like to say.

Yes Australia has huge amounts of uninhabitable bush.

But - 86.24 percent of its people live in urban areas. Dense urban areas. You really have no clue whatcha rabbiting on about, mate.
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Old 05-31-2022, 05:45 PM
 
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Murder rates in some other countries with gun controls in place:

Japan 0.26
Australia 0.89
Germany 0.95
Denmark 1.01
Sweden 1.10
United Kingdom 1.20
Israel 1.49
Canada 1.76
Yeah, something tells me it isn't just the laws that makes those countries different from ours. That is something i'm sure many ignore.
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Old 05-31-2022, 06:03 PM
 
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Yeah, something tells me it isn't just the laws that makes those countries different from ours. That is something i'm sure many ignore.
Yep, it's the proliferation of guns owned by the general public. 120.5 / 100 people. Compared that to your neighbour Canada @ 34.7 / 100 people.

If the laws are so full of holes from State to State, gun ownership is easier than buying sex toys in certain States. "Texans are allowed to carry a handgun without licensing or training, as per a law signed last year by Gov. Greg Abbott. However, if you want to own more than six sex toys in Texas, that’s a crime."
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Old 05-31-2022, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Yep, it's the proliferation of guns owned by the general public. 120.5 / 100 people. Compared that to your neighbour Canada @ 34.7 / 100 people.

If the laws are so full of holes from State to State, gun ownership is easier than buying sex toys in certain States. "Texans are allowed to carry a handgun without licensing or training, as per a law signed last year by Gov. Greg Abbott. However, if you want to own more than six sex toys in Texas, that’s a crime."
I have over 30 guns myself. They all behave properly and have never shot anyone. Too many criminals is the problem.
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Old 05-31-2022, 07:04 PM
 
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Yep, it's the proliferation of guns owned by the general public. 120.5 / 100 people. Compared that to your neighbour Canada @ 34.7 / 100 people.

If the laws are so full of holes from State to State, gun ownership is easier than buying sex toys in certain States. "Texans are allowed to carry a handgun without licensing or training, as per a law signed last year by Gov. Greg Abbott. However, if you want to own more than six sex toys in Texas, that’s a crime."
Wrong. Its criminals, period. There are less people in those countries willing to break the law. Less theft, assaults, rapes, etc. The societies in those countries are no where near as dysfunctional as ours. They actually trust their law enforcement, and have faith in their government. They also aren't as divisive as we are. Many of those countries could lift all restrictions on firearms and i bet there wouldn't be a raise in crime or violence.
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Old 06-01-2022, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Oh puulease, Australia is only slightly large than the US’s third most populous state and with FAR less urban areas. Don’t aussies need a smart phone to speak with their nearest neighbors as they are several miles away? No Shyyyte you have a lower murder rate, it’s because you’re A LOT smaller and are more spread out. Lack of guns has nothing to do with it, it just makes you look silly because Australia’s a frickin’ wilderness with the exception of Sidney.
For the huge majority of the Australian population the answer to that question is No.
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