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Old 06-02-2022, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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The entire premise of this thread is proof that the country would not be able to recover and be 'great again'. It is not just division with the government, this country is divided to it's core and like another poster mentioned, there is just too much animosity now. No side will admit their faults and compromise so this will continue. Those who have prophesied the trajectory of the future of America into impeding doom will speak this phenomenon into existence. What we see already are the manifestations of these prophecies.
But it has a shelf time. Sorry to say - but my generation must go to pasture - go weave baskets or to the pearly gates.
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Old 06-02-2022, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Suppose some major scandal took hold the Democratic Party right before the election and it caused a temporary shift in allegiance and even New York and California and Massachusetts and Minnesota and Hawaii went Red , or almost like the biggest red map since Reagan in 1984 and Nixon 1972

And not only POTUS but a solid % of all governors and 95 GOP Senators and 415 of the House of Representatives went GOP

And now a sweeping deregulation , Govt spending shrinkage, and decentralization of power back to states and municipalities , with tons of pro-growth. Would this America be prosperous or would it be one of upheaval ?
Scandal like the made up Russia hoax or a laptop?

UE sinks and the economy goes robust when government is kept out. In the early 1920s spending and taxes were reduced by 40% over 2 years time and the UE rate went from 12 to under 4
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Old 06-02-2022, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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After how 8 years of Bush II turned out, I don't think so. Trump with a Republican Congress couldn't even get ObamaCare abolished. Furthermore, Republican candidates refuse to run on abolishing all government welfare as a means to make America great again.
I listened to this Chicago Alderwoman on the radio, yesterday. She is one of the 92,000 people who are members of the Democratic Socialist Party in the US. She had 3 kids by the time she was 19 and applied for public housing. Since then, she went on to have 2 more kids. It took her nearly 30 years to be approved.

She asked that people don’t feel sorry for her because she had to raise 5 kids in a 1 br apartment. Sympathy was NOT the emotion I felt, while listing to her. She claims the inability to get public housing is the main reason why the city is losing population.

She is one of 11 alderman in the Chicago Socialist Caucus who voted against the mayor’s proposed budget as it relies too heavily on property taxes. She favors taxing only wealthy people. It is reasonable to assume math is not her strong point.


https://www.audacy.com/wbbm780/news/...stem-is-broken

Medicaid funds > 60% of births in 8 states. Many, many states exceed 50%. These are Red and Blue states.

More than half of baby formula is purchased through WIC and SNAP. Each state negotiates the lowest price for formula. Thus, retail stores tend to carry mostly the brand that more than 50% can buy.

1/5 of all US children are fed with SNAP and no cost school breakfast- lunch programs.

Those with means will travel to states where abortion is legal, when desired. The rest will carry and deliver and increase reliance on state/ federal programs. Absolutely nothing prevents a female and male from engaging in unprotected sex, regardless of their emotional, cognitive and financial ability to provide for their kids.

Back to the point, neither party is going to take action to reduce / eliminate government welfare.

The birth rates are highest in those countries with no social welfare and lowest in countries with social welfare.
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Old 06-02-2022, 10:23 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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The problem with the GOP making America "great" is that the party is always looking for quick fixes and never takes the long view. America is great already, but the GOP wants to tamper with the few things that eat at their soul and psyche that have nothing to do with greatness. They manufacture diversional problems (gay marriage, abortion, transgender, voter fraud). They think in terms of "what's in it for me -- now" instead of the long term. If we are going to sustain growth and greatness we need to focus on some long-term goals. They are not cheap or quick fixes:
-alternative energy and independence with solar and wind
-infrastructure repair and modernization
-climate change issues (sea levels, desalination, drought, agriculture)
-real national healthcare
-revamping our education and job training system
-transportation system and a real passenger rail network

None of those are on the GOP's radar with any serious attention. We cannot borrow our way out of these problems. It is pay as you go, and we cannot kick the can down to the younger generations any longer.
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Old 06-02-2022, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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Suppose some major scandal took hold the Democratic Party right before the election and it caused a temporary shift in allegiance and even New York and California and Massachusetts and Minnesota and Hawaii went Red , or almost like the biggest red map since Reagan in 1984 and Nixon 1972. And not only POTUS but a solid % of all governors and 95 GOP Senators and 415 of the House of Representatives went GOP. And now a sweeping deregulation , Govt spending shrinkage, and decentralization of power back to states and municipalities , with tons of pro-growth. Would this America be prosperous or would it be one of upheaval ?
I think only if the Republicans ran on a national platform like The Contract For American under Gingrich and agreed on priorities.

The first thing I'd push Congress and the states to do is fix the number of Supreme Court Justices at 9 via a Constitutional Amendment.

The second thing I'd push Congress and the states to do is fix the "birthright citizenship" question. Pass a Constitutional Amendment clarifying that being born on U.S. soil doesn't guarantee citizenship, especially if the mother is in the country illegally.

The third thing I'd push Congress and the states to do pass a Constitutional Amendment setting a max amount of Federal Personal Income Tax that a person can be charged. The ever changing tax code is a boon to no one but tax lawyers and tax accountants. Most Americans are unaware there had to be a Constitutional Amendment passed to allow the Federal Personal Income Tax. The Founders rightly understood that the power to tax is the power to destroy.

Other priorities would be:

1) Fix the immigration system; not just build walls and take steps to secure the borders, but change immigration policy. The number one priority in admitting an immigrant and their family should be "what are you going to do for us (the country)" not that they have a relative living in the U.S. Most countries around the world have rules like this. The 1965 Immigration Reform Bill set up a system of preferences, placing an emphasis on family reunification not skills. That has led to the "anchor baby" problem.

You also have to change the Refugee Policy to stop everyone who crosses the border illegally from claiming asylum, which then entitles them to hearing (I know it is more complex than that, but not enough space to cover it all).

2) Repeal laws that have not worked out and rewrite them tighter and less subject to bureaucratic whims. Examples are the Endangered Species Act, which was intended to save well known species like mountain lions, wolves, bears etc and their habitat has instead been misused to stop things like water being sent to Central California to provide water for crops for people to give that water to a bait fish no one has ever heard of that is not significant in the chain of life. The same holds true for the EPA, FDA, DHS, rules like the CAFE standards, CRA, SOx, and every overreach.

Going forward all federal laws should have sunset clauses that make them have to be renewed every 10 years or so. That way no one has to take the heat for repealing a law, it simply goes away.

I WOULD NOT involve the federal government in Social Issues. Those should be state level questions, including abortion, marriage, laws on transgender athletes, etc.
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Old 06-02-2022, 10:31 AM
 
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Pass some amendments.

One being States required to have equal representation by electoral districts so disasters like California can never happen again.
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Old 06-02-2022, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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This would be a disaster if this happened...I agree w/ nothing the evil GOP believes in
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Old 06-02-2022, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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Every water and air regulation removed in the name of capitalism , I can smell the stench already.
Exactly...pollution overload across the country...no clean water to drink anywhere, smog everywhere.
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Old 06-02-2022, 10:57 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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Doubtful. If all 50 states went for the DNC though we'd be screwed.
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Old 06-02-2022, 11:09 AM
 
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Suppose some major scandal took hold the Democratic Party right before the election and it caused a temporary shift in allegiance and even New York and California and Massachusetts and Minnesota and Hawaii went Red , or almost like the biggest red map since Reagan in 1984 and Nixon 1972

And not only POTUS but a solid % of all governors and 95 GOP Senators and 415 of the House of Representatives went GOP

And now a sweeping deregulation , Govt spending shrinkage, and decentralization of power back to states and municipalities , with tons of pro-growth. Would this America be prosperous or would it be one of upheaval ?
it would be just as bad, just different. Politicians no matter their political affiliation want power. They dont care about ALL of the people. They care only about who will vote them into office.
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