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The Confederacy was never a functional country and lasted a shorter time period than most sitcoms. Why should I worry about disposing of its Remnants?
And even further, the Confederate flag represents a cause rooted in preserving slavery. Alexander H. Stephens, the Confederate VP, said that the cornerstone of the Confederacy was slavery and Blacks being inferior and therefore fit for only slavery. That is what the Confederate flag represents.
Sounds good to me. Not that I'd attend a country music festival, but ...
What does the Confederate flag have to do with country music?
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Originally Posted by green_mariner
When I see a Confederate flag, I think of the Confederate cause, I think of the bigots who marched AGAINST integration, I think about the Confederates who fought to keep slavery.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by ChrisC
A hundred sixty years ago, what we call the confederate flag was a battle flag for CSA forces. Forty years ago, the "confederate" flag had morphed into something different--sort of a "I'm rebellious" flag or anti-government flag.
Which is exactly what it meant in the 1860s - rebellion, anti-government. Nothing has changed about the Confederate flag.
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I get not wanting to promote "hate" but when does censorship step over the line to violation of first amendment rights? They are a private company and can ban whatever they want, and the citizens can vote with their wallets I suppose.
When it's the government saying you can't fly the Confederate flag. A private organization operating a private event has the right to prohibit whatever it pleases within the law.
Which is exactly what it meant in the 1860s - rebellion, anti-government. Nothing has changed about the Confederate flag.
Sure it has. The "nation" that flew it ceased to exist over a hundred fifty years ago. And that particular flag was not "anti-government" when it was flown by the confederate army. The confederate army was not anti-government. The confederacy itself had essentially proclaimed themselves a new nation and were (in their eyes) fighting a war against a belligerent foreign power. It wasn't a group of people seeking to overthrow the government, it was a group of people wishing to break away from the United States entirely.
I have no idea how old you are, but I'm telling you right now because I lived through it: that flag was NOT flown at concerts as a statement of hating blacks or even as a statement of "we want to overthrow the US government." And I don't give a **** what you say about it. I lived through it and I was AT many of those concerts. It meant something very different at the time before you leftists got your claws into it and changed its meaning as you guys are so good at doing.
Sure it has. The "nation" that flew it ceased to exist over a hundred fifty years ago. And that particular flag was not "anti-government" when it was flown by the confederate army. The confederate army was not anti-government. The confederacy itself had essentially proclaimed themselves a new nation and were (in their eyes) fighting a war against a belligerent foreign power. It wasn't a group of people seeking to overthrow the government, it was a group of people wishing to break away from the United States entirely.
I have no idea how old you are, but I'm telling you right now because I lived through it: that flag was NOT flown at concerts as a statement of hating blacks or even as a statement of "we want to overthrow the US government." And I don't give a **** what you say about it. I lived through it and I was AT many of those concerts. It meant something very different at the time before you leftists got your claws into it and changed its meaning as you guys are so good at doing.
They have only changed its meaning in their own minds.
Sure it has. The "nation" that flew it ceased to exist over a hundred fifty years ago. And that particular flag was not "anti-government" when it was flown by the confederate army. The confederate army was not anti-government. The confederacy itself had essentially proclaimed themselves a new nation and were (in their eyes) fighting a war against a belligerent foreign power. It wasn't a group of people seeking to overthrow the government, it was a group of people wishing to break away from the United States entirely.
I have no idea how old you are, but I'm telling you right now because I lived through it: that flag was NOT flown at concerts as a statement of hating blacks or even as a statement of "we want to overthrow the US government." And I don't give a **** what you say about it. I lived through it and I was AT many of those concerts. It meant something very different at the time before you leftists got your claws into it and changed its meaning as you guys are so good at doing.
The CSA was a breakaway state that was established because of what it feared. It feared the end of slavery. The Confederates were willing to fight a war of independence because it wanted to keep slavery. How it became "we hate Black people"? You can thank the Confederates themselves. You can thank Jim Crow for that. You can thank the persons who fought AGAINST the Civil Rights Movement. The Confederate flag was the flag of resistance against integration. When Dr. Martin Luther King Jr led a march to make Cicero, Illinois an open city where Blacks could feel welcome, some of city's residents responded by throwing bricks, bottles, and other dangerous projectiles at Dr. King and his marchers. And something else. Said persons demonstrating against Dr. King were flying Confederate flags. I think about his. Cicero is next to Chicago. Most of the town's population consisted of 1st and 2nd generation Lithuanian-Americans and Polish-Americans. No connection to the the Old South whatsoever. African-Americans living in Chicago were legitimately more southern than the people living in Cicero. And yet, the Confederate flags were in full force the moment anyone spoke of letting Blacks live in Cicero during the 1960s.
Ask yourself this. Why do we rarely ever see any Black people fly the Confederate flag?
The Confederate flag is the battle flag of an enemy state, and has no place on US soil.
Museums being the only exception.
I think homeowners have a right to fly that flag on their own grounds. It lets me know whom to avoid for starters. I was glad when Gov. Haley got the flag removed from state grounds here in South Carolina after Dylann Roof tried t start his race war. I also think private companies have the right to ban any flag they see fit to ban from their property. People are free to tell that company with they think with the billfolds.
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