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There definitely is a cultishness about the way some of Trump's followers seem to nearly worship him. Not all Republicans fall into that category. One of my sisters is a conservative and a Republican. Like me, she's lived in this area all her life so she knew Trump has always been known for saying stupid things and acting out to draw attention to himself, but she feels very strongly about things he focused on in his campaign, like illegal immigration, and so she voted for him. She's also an atheist, so she didn't glom onto any of the wack-a-doo "God sent Trump" stuff that we heard from the extremist branches.
But think back. Remember when Art of the Deal came out and Trump was marketing himself all over TV and the city. He had a cult-like following back then, too. I can recall this starry-eyed young guy in my office sneaking out to go downstairs to the bookstore where "The Donald" was doing a signing, and people were lined up for it out the door and into the Concourse. He said outright that he wanted to be like Trump someday. (LOL, thirty years later, that guy is still employed as an accountant in the payroll department of the public agency for which we both worked.)
Trump opened his casinos in AC to a lot of press and fanfare, and people went there just because the Trump name was on them. He even made his affair with Marla very public, putting her on TV to talk with Barbara Walters when the news broke and his wife filed for divorce, and he himself bragged in the news how he had met her at church, which always struck me as a funny thing for a cheater to say, and even his religious fans didn't bat an eye. But it got him ATTENTION.
Then he got himself a TV show at some point, which I've never seen, but apparently that's how a lot of the younger generation or people out in "the Middle" got to know who he was.
Anyway, my point is that this is not the first time in his life he's had a cultish following, and to deny that it exists is just silly. It is at the very core of who Trump is--a man who needs more than anything else in the universe to keep his ego fed. To deny that is also silly. It is simply who he is. You can be like my sister and know that and still support him because you agree with the things he said he would do as President while at the same time acknowledging that he doesn't give a rat's ass about you or America or the flag or anything else but getting attention focused on himself.
It's the people who go beyond that and elevate him to the status of nearly-divine destiny that are considered to be in something of a cult, and those are the people who can be dangerous.
I don't disagree with you but you could have replaced "Trump" with "Obama" and it would have been true also.
That's becasue they are bleeding hearts, self-hating, hire illegals for profit, Democrats looking for more voters or they have ethnic ties to them. All are self-serving agendas and are anti-American views.
The thing I'd like to know from liberals is - How many illegal aliens do you think are enough for the United States?
If we get flooded with 100 million illegal aliens from Mexico, then would that be a good thing?
For a number of reasons, the character of the President matters more than for other officials.
Trump isn’t a child.
He could choose to have/act with sufficient character if he wanted that enough.
He doesn’t give enough of a flying f about the country, nor have enough respect for Americans, to do that.
And a remedy for the bolded is to nominate and elect DeSantis or Scott…..not re-elect Trump.
No, Mighty Queen isn’t.
The character of the President is important enough that it has to be about both.
Meaning who, specifically ?
It doesn’t matter what he accomplished.
Nothing is more important than character.
Trump didn’t give enough of a flying f about the country to change and demonstrate a higher level of character. He could have done that and had even more accomplishments. Past Presidents of both D and R designation, who started with a higher level of demonstrated character than did Trump, have talked about rising to meet what the office asks of you. Starting from a lower point, Trump needed to be contemplating that even more than those other Presidents. I haven’t seen any indication that he ever contemplated such a notion. I don’t know if he has that in him.
I think its clear most people don't care much about character. They care about results. That kind of shocked me when Bill Clinton not only got elected, but got reelected. Bill Clinton was a compulsive liar. He would lie about things that didn't matter. Trump tends to exaggerate (or lie if you prefer) about things that make him look better. Bill just lied habitually. It was obvious even before he got the Democratic nomination in '92.
Republicans got Trump elected. Democrats got Bill Clinton and Biden elected (and LBJ also).
I think its clear most people don't care much about character. They care about results. That kind of shocked me when Bill Clinton not only got elected, but got reelected. Bill Clinton was a compulsive liar. He would lie about things that didn't matter. Trump tends to exaggerate (or lie if you prefer) about things that make him look better. Bill just lied habitually. It was obvious even before he got the Democratic nomination in '92.
Republicans got Trump elected. Democrats got Bill Clinton and Biden elected (and LBJ also).
I care about both. However, when push comes to shove I will pick a candidate whose policies are pro-American rather than their personality. Hillary did not fit the bill and I'm not a Democrat anyway.
There has rarely been a president or politician who hasn't lied or at least told little white lies or exaggerated. If one is looking for perfection then don't vote! If one is looking for a candidate who has no skeletons in their closet then don't vote.
The ones you really should be asking are the businesses who hire the illegals. If they couldn't find jobs here, they would stop coming.
Those businesses appear to be on both sides.
Then tell the Democrats to pass an e-verify bill. They won't unless there is a massive amensty attached to it. Jobs are not the only reason that illegals come here anyway. Birthright citizenship for their kids and benefits bring them here to. The Democrats won't seek change to that either.
I don't remember anyone acting that way about Reagan or Clinton. Obama, though, yes, but he didn't have it in his prior life. Nobody was lining up to buy his books or wanted to be like him before he began to run.
The point is that there are traits unique to Trump that played into a cult-like following predating his presidency.
You have TDS. Clearly. I don't say that as an insult. Because of it, you cannot see past Trump. Nothing is worse, more profound, more important, etc than Trump. There was no history before Trump. There were no bad Presidents before Trump. But I assure you, before Trump, there were cults...
In the cult of Clinton, a serial poonhound/rapist was beloved by the entire feminist wing of Liberal America. The dude had state troopers pulling hot girls over to score him strange when he was governor of AR, and the feminazis who lost their minds over Trump all swooned and got breathless every time Clinton spoke a single word. He'd bite that lip, give you the thumbs up, and the most hardcore Womyn-ist would pee herself and giggle like a 10 year old schoolgirl with a crush. FFS, the dude should have been on the cover of Tiger Beat's super Hugs 'n' Kisses issue. He bombed a country to make you look the other way when he got busted for poonhounding in the Oval Office...and liberals everywhere defended him like all of that is just how cool dudes get stuff done.
And Reagan, seriously? Right wingers talk about that guy like he was Marcus Aurelius, John Locke and Robert the Bruce all rolled into one, and that dude brought gun control and absurdly profligate spending to the Republican party and mainstreamed it. Until Obama, nobody had ever presided over bigger annual deficits than Reagan outside of declared wars. Half his executive resume and most of his platform stood in direct opposition to everything conservatism claims to stand for. And his cult thinks he should be on Mt Rushmore.
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Then tell the Democrats to pass an e-verify bill. They won't unless there is a massive amensty attached to it. Jobs are not the only reason that illegals come here anyway. Birthright citizenship for their kids and benefits bring them here to. The Democrats won't seek change to that either.
Well, your man Grassley who is a leading proponent of E-verify, has outed himself that he believed Pence wouldn't be attending the Jan 6 event. wuuups. So we'll see whether he's able to function as an advocate of the proposed legislation for e-verify going forward.
I personally think that would be FABULOUS, that each new hire would be run through a robust system to verify SSN before the first paycheck can be issued to that employee, and anyone caught trying to circumvent the system and hire illegal workers should be subject to HEFTY fines.
In the cult of Clinton, a serial poonhound/rapist was beloved by the entire feminist wing of Liberal America. The dude had state troopers pulling hot girls over to score him strange when he was governor of AR, and the feminazis who lost their minds over Trump all swooned and got breathless every time Clinton spoke a single word. He'd bite that lip, give you the thumbs up, and the most hardcore Womyn-ist would pee herself and giggle like a 10 year old schoolgirl with a crush. FFS, the dude should have been on the cover of Tiger Beat's super Hugs 'n' Kisses issue. He bombed a country to make you look the other way when he got busted for poonhounding in the Oval Office...and liberals everywhere defended him like all of that is just how cool dudes get stuff done.
And Reagan, seriously? Right wingers talk about that guy like he was Marcus Aurelius, John Locke and Robert the Bruce all rolled into one, and that dude brought gun control and absurdly profligate spending to the Republican party and mainstreamed it. Until Obama, nobody had ever presided over bigger annual deficits than Reagan outside of declared wars. Half his executive resume and most of his platform stood in direct opposition to everything conservatism claims to stand for. And his cult thinks he should be on Mt Rushmore.
That's funny, but there's a lot of truth in what you wrote.
Still, both Reagan and Clinton deserve to be credited with their accomplishments. Reagan was instrumental in destroying the Soviet Union and Communism in Europe. Clinton resided over an economic boom in America that hasn't been repeated since.
In this day and age, I don't blame a non liberal for cutting off a liberal. People's livelihoods are being affected by their stupidity.
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