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View Poll Results: Should the age of Adulthood be raised to 21?
Yes 22 47.83%
No 7 15.22%
Leave things as they are 6 13.04%
Make it 18 for everything, drinks and debt included 11 23.91%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-09-2022, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Huh. Board packed with people 55+ wants to pull the ladder. Again.

Imagine that.
We are the group who waited until age 21 to vote (and drink in some states). We know that works.
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Old 06-09-2022, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Pull the ladder up generally refers to giving a hand to someone to achieve what you have achieved.
No, in the sense that you pull the ladder up behind you. As in, the people below you can no longer reach the 'height' you're at.

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So do you mean that I, as a woman, need to help men achieve being women?
You've lost me, but humans can help humans and the world would be a better place.
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Old 06-09-2022, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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We are the group who waited until age 21 to vote (and drink in some states). We know that works.
Yeah, much cheaper college education and cheaper housing worked too. Must have been nice.
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Old 06-09-2022, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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mebbe you CAN learn from your elders? and the time window in which to do so is closing fast cuz tomorrows 'elders' just plain suck.
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“Elvis can’t sing, can’t play the guitar, and can’t dance. Yet two thousand idiots per show yelp every time he opens his mouth, plucks a guitar string, or shakes his pelvis like any striptease babe in town.â€
Turns out, every generation gets this thrown at them. Young people don't know what's good for them, things were better when I was a kid, you call this music?! etc.

Nothing new under the sun.
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Old 06-09-2022, 08:10 AM
 
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Old enough to fight for your country, old enough to drink, drive, and buy weapons.

Do you want to admit we are sending BOYS to fight and die in wars?
The military can decide if a volunteer is mature enough to train. There could also be a rule to allow parents to sign for an underage person to join the military if the age were raised to 21.

As to weapons, again, what is wrong with it being in the parent's name until 21, and to be used with supervision of parent or other adult?
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Old 06-09-2022, 08:13 AM
 
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Yeah, much cheaper college education and cheaper housing worked too. Must have been nice.
Jealous much? We worked hard and long. Try it sometime.
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Old 06-09-2022, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Jealous much? We worked hard and long. Try it sometime.
Of course we're jealous. Most of us will never own a home, can't afford it, cost of living, cost of housing far outstrips the rise in wages and the gap between the productivity increase and wages is a real mystery. Where do you suppose all that extra profit is going?!

Amazing that you worked so hard to get that almost free education.
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Old 06-09-2022, 08:19 AM
 
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If 18-21 is too immature to make adult decisions, then we shouldn't be sending them off to die in wars.
Nobody has been "sent off" to war without their permission in that last 50 years. Today's military is more of a "jobs and training skills" opportunity than it is a ticket to armed conflict... although the latter is a possibility.

I would bet that a young man between the ages of 18 and 21 would be more likely to die in civilian life from the effects of drugs, alcohol, gun violence, and automobile accidents than he would from military action while serving in the military.
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Old 06-09-2022, 08:24 AM
 
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Nobody has been "sent off" to war without their permission in that last 50 years. Today's military is more of a "jobs and training skills" opportunity than it is a ticket to armed conflict... although the latter is a possibility.

I would bet that a young man between the ages of 18 and 21 would be more likely to die in civilian life from the effects of drugs, alcohol, gun violence, and automobile accidents than he would from military action while serving in the military.
While this is true, the military goes to high schools looking to recruit because kids who feel they have no futures are easy pickups.

That bet would depend entirely on where/when they served. My father in law served in the Navy in the 80's and just sailed around the world not seeing any action, whereas someone who's signing up now, I fear is entering far more dangerous territory.
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Old 06-09-2022, 08:35 AM
 
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While this is true, the military goes to high schools looking to recruit because kids who feel they have no futures are easy pickups.

That bet would depend entirely on where/when they served. My father in law served in the Navy in the 80's and just sailed around the world not seeing any action, whereas someone who's signing up now, I fear is entering far more dangerous territory.
Let's face it. Many high school grads are not college material. For that matter, many who enter college aren't college material. So, there are many, many 18 to early 20's people who have no idea what they want to do in life. They have neither the inclination nor money for college, so why shouldn't they be allowed to enter the military which can help provide them with training and maturity while paying them and providing all their living expenses at the same time?

As I said, yes, there's a slim chance they might get killed or injured in some type of combat, but that chance is likely much less than them being killed on injured from accidents or unwise decisions as an 18 to early 20's in civilian life.
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