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Old 06-08-2022, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Over Yonder
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What kind of work is done with an AR-15? As near as I remember, they were specifically designed originally as a tool for killing the maximum number of people in the minimum amount of time.
Yes, you're right, they were ORIGINALLY designed to be a weapon for military use. However, due to lack of enthusiasm for the product, the original makers of the "ARMALITE" rifle (see that, the AR doesn't mean "ASSAULT RIFLE") Armalite manufacturing sold the design to Colt. Colt then made some modifications to the design and successfully marketed the gun to the military as the M-16. They also created a semi-automatic version for marketing to the public. This design was for sporting use, not killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible. Here's a link if you happen to just slightly want to educate yourself on the AR-15. But I warn you, there are probably facts and information in this link that won't coincide with your preconceived notions about this weapon. Fair warning.

https://www.thetrace.org/2022/06/ar1...lt-weapon-ban/
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Old 06-08-2022, 06:55 PM
 
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Cameras are legal. Using them to make child porn is not.

Guns are legal. Using them to hurt people is not.
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Old 06-08-2022, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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The children have rights as well which must be protected, and for my money their right to live far outweighs your right to have toys.
The Bill of Rights is not up for negotiations, that includes the 2nd amendment. Nothing more needs to be said on the issue. The constitution is not going to be changed.
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Old 06-08-2022, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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The children have rights as well which must be protected, and for my money their right to live far outweighs your right to have toys.
So why aren’t you pushing to repeal the 2nd Amendment? You know, the legal way to ban guns.
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Old 06-08-2022, 07:01 PM
 
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The Bill of Rights is not up for negotiations, that includes the 2nd amendment. Nothing more needs to be said on the issue. The constitution is not going to be changed.

Be careful when making absolute claims that have no expiration date. There's a reason why the Race Marxists are going after the minds of children, and not adults. Can't convince the current adults to relinquish their rights? No problem, just turn a couple generations into leftist Borg drones and historical works of literary fiction suddenly become reality.
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Old 06-08-2022, 07:27 PM
 
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Swimming pools are far more dangerous to children.
Unless you dishonestly include "children" as up to 19 to capture all of the gang banger deaths from shootings in order to push a narrative.

(We had that thread here recently)

The vast majority of shootings are gang and drug related. I cannot even get posters here to engage and discuss the topic, they just flee the thread.

Utterly and completely dishonest because politically all they really want to do is blame the NRA and Republicans without any actual introspection into their base and urban areas where the bulk of the problem resides.

Heck, after 2020 and 2021 with police reforms there has been an explosion of gun violence concentrated in those areas. Hmmmm what to do?

a) Blame the NRA and guns and R's and not really do anything. (Aka the last 30 years)

b) Spend money targeting poverty, gang recruitment, diversion programs etc.

Well, gosh golly...option a is free, doesn't anger my base and they'll vote for me anyway! - Urban Politician
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Old 06-08-2022, 07:29 PM
 
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Some people are essentially demons.

Sexualizing young children in any way reeks of things demonic.

If the horns fit,...
They don’t fit. There’s nothing to suggest kindergarten teachers - non binary or otherwise - are purveyors or consumers of child pornography (more so than any other profession, or walk of life).
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Old 06-08-2022, 07:43 PM
 
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I did not know about your involvement, no.

As for going about their normal business without the fear of being murdered then one needs to address the actual problem and that is murderers. Or nutters actually.


Again, then do something about the nutters. The 'adult toys' do not go to the schools by themselves.



I don't recall gun just getting up on its own and going to the mall and shooting people.

I have heard of people driving to the mall and shooting people.

So what is the real cause of a mall shooting, the gun, the car or the nutter?

There are four factor in any shooting; a nutter, a gun, a car and a soft target. Don't forget the soft target.

The common denominator in any mass killing - did I say killing instead of shooting? - is a nutter. Be it a nutter with a gun, a car or any other means of destruction, it is the nutter that does it, every single time without fail.

Target the nutters and leave law abiding folks alone. Sure, harden the soft points but for heavens sake, go after the nutters. Go after the perpetrators.

How does one stamp out swimming pool drownings? Abolish swimming pools? No, take safety precautions. Eliminate unsupervised child access to the water.

Do the same for school shooters. Eliminate their access to schools and guns, like by locking them up and making them unfit to pass the background check and keeping school access locked.

Has anyone noticed that during the days of gun openness and acceptance and school gun safety training, there were no school shootings?
Swimming pool drownings are accidents. Not intentional rampage murder. You can’t fit your swimming pool in a bag and go drown 57 people in it in a matter of minutes.

People can choose to go swimming, or not, choose to own a pool, or not, choose their level of risk.

There are many risks one takes in the pursuit of quality of life. Having your child’s face shot off because you sent them to school in the morning shouldn’t be one of them.
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Old 06-08-2022, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Swimming pool drownings are accidents. Not intentional rampage murder. You can’t fit your swimming pool in a bag and go drown 57 people in it in a matter of minutes.

People can choose to go swimming, or not, choose to own a pool, or not, choose their level of risk.

There are many risks one takes in the pursuit of quality of life. Having your child’s face shot off because you sent them to school in the morning shouldn’t be one of them.

If not guns then maybe Molotov cocktails or maybe nerve gas or acid or a truck bomb. It is not a question of the weapons used but rather that people want to do harm. How does one detect and stop them before they do? If we take away the guns but don't solve the question of the violence, will it be any degree of mercy to tell one's child "At least he didn't shoot your face off," as they go in for months of skin reconstruction, if that is the only damage, because the crook threw homemade jellied gasoline instead?
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Old 06-08-2022, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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There are many risks one takes in the pursuit of quality of life. Having your child’s face shot off because you sent them to school in the morning shouldn’t be one of them.
That I agree with.

I drew the parallel with swimming pools because of the point you made but the parallel still holds in that one doesn't ban swimming pools to solve the problem. Instead, one implements safety measures. The same applies to guns.

In days gone by, gun safety was taught in the schools. Not by teachers but by gun safety experts. Of course, school massacres are not about gun or swimming pool safety, they are about mass murderers.

One school massacre would likely have been prevented if one young, unvetted and unassessed young man had been prevented from purchasing his gun by failing a qualification standard. Like being sane and not posting threats on social media. We don't know, we can't say but he may not have had contacts to buy an illegal gun but then who is to say he would not have switched to an arson attack as many do.

My point is that one should stop blaming the gun and instead, blame the nutjobs. The nutjob is actually the cause of the killings. Notice that I am saying killings and not shootings? I'm not really interested in a specific method of killing.

Did you see that claim that Austria has had only one mass shooting since they banned guns after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre? Apart from that being a lie, the actual number of mass killings have increased since that banning.

New Zealand had a worse massacre in which 51 people were murdered in cold blood. The response? Banned guns. The result? An increase in - wait for it - in gun violence! The bannings in both countries are not the cause of course. They just are not the cure.
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