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Old 06-10-2022, 09:45 AM
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Two Britons and a Moroccan Man have been sentenced to death by a Russian Court.

All three men were charged with being mercenaries, the violent seizure of power and undergoing training to carry out terrorist activities.

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Two Britons and a Moroccan who were captured while fighting for Ukraine have been sentenced to death by a Russian proxy court in eastern Ukraine.

Britons Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner, and Brahim Saaudun are accused of being mercenaries, Russian state media says.

The court, which is not internationally recognised, is in the pro-Russian so-called Donetsk People's Republic.

The UK and Ukraine have condemned the sentences for violating international laws protecting prisoners of war.

The Britons' families have insisted they are long-serving members of the Ukrainian military and not mercenaries.

The men's lawyer said they all wished to appeal against the sentence, Russia's Tass news agency reports.

All three men were charged with being mercenaries, the violent seizure of power and undergoing training to carry out terrorist activities.

Ukraine war: Britons Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner sentenced to death - BBC News
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Old 06-10-2022, 09:48 AM
 
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If you are gonna do this don't give up. Why go in and then surrender?
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Old 06-10-2022, 09:52 AM
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If you are gonna do this don't give up. Why go in and then surrender?
By all accounts they were long-serving members of the Ukrainian military and not mercenaries, and were captured, so did not surrender.

This breaks international law and the Geneva Convention in relation to Prisoners of War (PoW's).
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Old 06-10-2022, 09:58 AM
 
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One county's freedom fighter is another country's terrorist. How you view these participants depends entirely on who's side you are standing with. Unfortunately for the west, much of the rest of the world either doesn't care, or has no choice but to turn a blind eye in order to do business with Russia to get cheap commodities.



This also has to be troubling news for the WNBA player that is still locked up in Russia.


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If you are gonna do this don't give up. Why go in and then surrender?

Because they didn't realize Russia was going to be handing out death sentences for POWs. This is a new development meant to discourage mercenaries from getting involved. Mercenaries consider risk vs reward... Well, now the risks are much, much higher than originally thought. Now many are just going to say it's not worth it.
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Old 06-10-2022, 09:59 AM
 
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By all accounts they were long-serving members of the Ukrainian military and not mercenaries, and were captured, so did not surrender.

This breaks international law and the Geneva Convention in relation to Prisoners of War (PoW's).
captured is the same thing as surrendering.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:01 AM
 
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If they were wearing uniforms of the Ukrainian forces, then this would indeed be a violation of international law at the very least and at the most a war crime.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:21 AM
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captured is the same thing as surrendering.
To capture is to gain control of, especially by force.

To surrender is to voluntarily give up.

Just because an area is captured does not mean it surrenders and just because someone is captured does not mean they have surrendered.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:25 AM
 
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If they were wearing uniforms of the Ukrainian forces, then this would indeed be a violation of international law at the very least and at the most a war crime.

They can bring charges against Russia, but what good would it do if Europe is not willing to stand up to Putin? What would come of such charges if they have no teeth? Putin has already addressed the criticism towards what he is doing in Ukraine by saying the USA is guilty of war crimes. He's just going to respond the same way if Russia is criticized for killing mercenaries, or terrorists as they describe them.



And we are obviously way past the point of getting anywhere with sanctions. They are more punishing to the west than they are to Putin. The west is running out of tricks, and the conventional war in Ukraine is not working out the way the west was hoping.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:27 AM
 
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To capture is to gain control of, especially by force.

To surrender is to voluntarily give up.

Just because an area is captured does not mean it surrenders and just because someone is captured does not mean they have surrendered.
No one in the game that really means it is going to be captured. Fight to the death.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:34 AM
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No one in the game that really means it is going to be captured. Fight to the death.
It's difficult to fight to the death when Mariupol which you were defending is now rubble, and your unit has been destroyed along with it, whilst you don't have any food or ammunition left, and are unable to escape Russian forces which have you surrounded.
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