Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
We don’t need housing projects for the poor. We need neighborhoods where we eliminate any mechanisms that drive up price and then you’ll get a mix of lower middle class, frugal upper middle class, well off members income-wise who are trying to quickly pay off student loan debt, and some who just want to save money. And where you don’t qualify for subsidies of any kind but it’s a lower price tag so by choice you’ll save money moving there. You can just have Govt step away from it and let private charities offer subsidies if they choose, and they should focus on just one institution that’s concerted effort and it’s on quality of school curriculum and learning facilities.
that is literally impossible unless you have a situation where the government sets stupid and onerous rules or owns all of the housing units.
Can we get Bipartisan support for removing zoning laws that restrict mixed-use housing?
F NO. High density housing doesn't belong in single family neighborhoods, period. I understand the need for more HDH, but you don't have to destroy existing neighborhoods to do so. Zone some areas for HDH, some for SFH.
Option B: Your home is walk/bike distance from school and items you need are storefronts blocks down the sidewalk, your friends live on the same street, kids commute to field hockey, park activities , and school by bike pedestrian-friendly paths and park bikes at school, it’s perfectly safe, perfectly normal kids can hang out with other kids and it’s high volume of people biking same paths so whereabouts of kids are consistent ….few people need a car to begin with
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freak80
To the political Right, Option B is equivalent to Socialism. Option B also means the possibility of lower-income minorities moving in.
There are plenty of NIMBYs on the political Left as well.
I’ll let the reader determine if bipartisan support for Option B is likely in the USA.
it's not socialism, but it is a pipe dream, a Utopia that cannot exist. And that Utopia has nothing to do with minorities living there.
The mixed use I’m referring to is where we resolve the cramming by increasing parks, wider sidewalks, whole blocks with pedestrian-only traffic, you must walk, build up instead of out , remove the car, if this is the condition you’ll see real estate price come down .
Another creative model I just thought up is we have a high rise with a Target and Starbucks on the bottom floor , so now you need no car and you can remotely work and get your necessities walking downstairs where you meet all your friends at Target . On floor 3 you have the school . We could try this . A town in a building
each building would have a school, and a Target and a Starbucks (which, btw, you're showing your privilege there). How many stories and how many people would live in each building?
it's not socialism, but it is a pipe dream, a Utopia that cannot exist. And that Utopia has nothing to do with minorities living there.
Then why does it work in the Netherlands? Where elementary schools are filled with bicycle racks with all the kids riding side by side to school, and crossing villages on bike to meet kids in neighboring towns to skateboard or play soccer or go to a choir practice after school and/or weekends? I mean this is a gold standard for not just happy kids but 2 working parents who can’t afford to pay for nanny care, childcare , camps, daycares , and in the Netherlands this is liberating and kids are not stuck in a house.
You might say is this safe? Very low crime and it’s that kids are all outside in large numbers and there’s enough people traffic along the same pathways that there’s lots of eyes on the kids. The other thing making Netherlands safer is bikes replacing cars leading to much fewer crossings of pedestrians into high speed traffic and paths mostly overpass highways or tunnel beneath them
A whole bunch of things add to European affordability
1) You don’t need a car or car insurance
2) Childcare costs replaced with independence of movement for kids at a younger age
3) Housing units and sizes are smaller BECAUSE the general outdoors is a bigger component of living
4) Very low cost for heat and A/C (this is partly climate more temperate in Europe with less humidity). A/C is the largest component of Electricity bill
5) Wi-Fi hotspots much more abundant and even private Wi-Fi is cheaper per month as are phone data plans …. Only the apple iPhone is around the same price everywhere but that’s a one-time cost and you can go with older used smart phones just fine
6) Medical care is taxed automatically and you pay very little if any for medical bills
7) Much cheaper out of pocket tuition for higher education.
If this isn’t enough, you also have much more generous paid parental leave for newborns
Last edited by Freesponge; 06-15-2022 at 03:19 PM..
The closest California got to a majority of residents being renters was in 2015 I think, it was in the mid 40s but has declined since then. You would probably need a supermajority of renters to force through changes like this, since homeowners vote at higher rates than renters.
There's a very weird dynamic in place for most homeowners. They are all in favor of development when their tract house is being built, but after settling in they want everything to stay the same. It's not even about protecting prices IMO, people just emotionally don't want anything to change about their neighborhoods after they move in.
I love mixed use areas, at this time, I have no desire to live in one. But I fully support them.
__________________ ____________________________________________
My posts as a Mod will always be in red.
Be sure to review Terms of Service: TOS
And check this out: FAQ
Moderator: Relationships Forum / Hawaii Forum / Dogs / Pets / Current Events
The mixed use I’m referring to is where we resolve the cramming by increasing parks, wider sidewalks, whole blocks with pedestrian-only traffic, you must walk, build up instead of out , remove the car, if this is the condition you’ll see real estate price come down .
Another creative model I just thought up is we have a high rise with a Target and Starbucks on the bottom floor , so now you need no car and you can remotely work and get your necessities walking downstairs where you meet all your friends at Target . On floor 3 you have the school . We could try this . A town in a building
Uh-no. People don't want to walk everywhere, to not be able to even drive to their own home. To have to carry their groceries or big screens a few blocks from where some totalitarian busybody decides they can park their car.
Now if you want that-fine. Buy up some land, put in the infrastructure and sell lots to those that are looking for something along those lines. Gonna be EXPENSIVE to put in all those bike and walking paths that only a few will ever use. But I'm sure there are some that would pay the price.
Uh-no. People don't want to walk everywhere, to not be able to even drive to their own home. To have to carry their groceries or big screens a few blocks from where some totalitarian busybody decides they can park their car.
Now if you want that-fine. Buy up some land, put in the infrastructure and sell lots to those that are looking for something along those lines. Gonna be EXPENSIVE to put in all those bike and walking paths that only a few will ever use. But I'm sure there are some that would pay the price.
I have 10 bicycles. I ride everywhere. That said, they are trying to turn parts of downtown into some kind of car free utopia. It doesn't work. Amazon or other carriers refuse to deliver because they have nowhere to park, same as customers. It doesn't work.
I have 10 bicycles. I ride everywhere. That said, they are trying to turn parts of downtown into some kind of car free utopia. It doesn't work. Amazon or other carriers refuse to deliver because they have nowhere to park, same as customers. It doesn't work.
It would work if Amazon delivered to convenient dropoff locations accessible by car or truck and then you could choose those pickup locations or else bicycle deliverers would operate between the pickup and the apartments. The bicycle deliverers come to think of it would probably be teenage kids trying to save some money for college or fundraising for a field trip or for allowance money or for some entrepreneurial project or some charity for their bio for college admission. Now that would be the Netherlands utopia.
The kid deliverers probably wouldn’t even have a charge and would do a system of tips are appreciated, and based on that they would collect on average $4 per household per delivery. If the item was too valuable to want to trust a kid to transport it you would then select pickup only … and then you would go to the dropoff and get it yourself.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
