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Old 06-16-2022, 06:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by lunetunelover View Post
Seems you believe the country should go full socialist? That is your solution?

Why don't YOU have any answers on how to stop rampant fraud?

There are checks and balances in the current system to ensure those who need assistance, get it. Enforce the rules and stop the fraud. The programs as they exist would be fine if we can get rid of the fraud. You know it's there you just want to ignore it so you get your piece of the pie.

As is typical with the left, just more rules but no real solutions.
I do have a solution. Much better vetting of those receiving assistance, which would also provide more jobs.

But that would cost money so that's out, right?

How are you getting that I think we should go full socialist? Never mind, I know that's the go-to and last line of defense in such arguments.

As for my "getting a piece of the pie," God bless you for never having to worry your handicapped child will starve one day through no fault of his, or your, own. I do mean that, God bless you. How lucky you are. Do you know what piece parents like me want? The piece that would have allowed our children to mentally grow up. To drive a car. Have a family. To NEVER need that help, just work, live and be happy. God we are greedy and lazy...just out for our piece.

Again..this is why so many people distrust the GOP and we the real motives: grab, hold on, and go on the attack if challenged. So non-genuine...all the time.

I can only ask one more time because now the dodging is just getting silly. *What would conservatives do about this issue rather than just cut programs?*

 
Old 06-16-2022, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Paradise
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It the problem is fraud, then the Repubs should be talking about eliminating fraud. Instead we hear tirades about cutting Social service programs and pulling oneself up by their bootstraps and eliminating abortion while at the same time eliminating WIC and other programs for young mothers. There is a major disconnect between what you are saying here and what Repubs are expounding on other threads and in the media.
Repubs often do...an example (though I don't want to derail this thread) is gun rights.

Repubs say ENFORCE THE LAWS WE HAVE.

Dems say NEW LAWS! TAKE THEM ALL AWAY FROM EVERYONE!

Neither side has any real answers but some will lay blame and point fingers on the other side no matter what.

Yes, I say people need to help themselves, pull themselves up by the boot straps so that the programs we ALREADY have will be solvent enough to help those who need it. But I'm considered uncaring because I look down on people who purposely take advantage of the system. They have no shame.

Instead of democratic political theater for the past six years, dems could have accomplished much to fix these programs themselves but have done nothing. That's not better, that's deflection.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Originally Posted by lunetunelover View Post
Seems you believe the country should go full socialist? That is your solution?

Why don't YOU have any answers on how to stop rampant fraud?

There are checks and balances in the current system to ensure those who need assistance, get it. Enforce the rules and stop the fraud. The programs as they exist would be fine if we can get rid of the fraud. You know it's there you just want to ignore it so you get your piece of the pie.

As is typical with the left, just more rules but no real solutions.
This post illustrates another problem many of us have with the attitudes on the right. No empathy. The poster has a child who legitimately needs social services, and you make a comment about how they only want to get their piece of the pie. Sigh!
 
Old 06-16-2022, 07:02 AM
 
Location: USA
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Another shoe drops, as the Biden economy continues to fall apart.

A horrific sign of things to come under the failed leadership from Democrats.

Gen Z and millennials are having the hardest time paying off their cars, and it speaks to their economic pain

"Young consumers who have managed to purchase cars aren’t having an easy time paying off their loans, according to data from credit reporting agency TransUnion. Gen Z and millennial borrowers are now dealing with higher auto loan delinquency rates than before the pandemic."

Subprime Car Loan Defaults Hit an All-Time High in February

"The good times of easy credit seem to be coming to a close as subprime borrowers are increasingly falling behind on payments. That scary trend is happening on debts ranging from credit cars to vehicle loans. Car loan defaults hit 8.8 percent in February, a 15-year high, according to Equifax."
It’s armageddon. Where I live, interest rates have hit 34% on car loans, 27% on 30-year mortgages, and 31% on student loans. At the same time, interest rates on savings account are cratering. At some banks, interest rates on savings accounts are actually negative! It’s true! And it’s all because of Joe Biden.

Even worse, there is no food or gasoline available. Gangs of thugs are marauding neighborhoods just to get basics like food and water. Gang rape is happening every day.

It’s all true.

And it’s all because of Joe Biden and the socialist Democrats!

In November, vote Republican to SAVE AMERICA!

 
Old 06-16-2022, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Paradise
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I do have a solution. Much better vetting of those receiving assistance, which would also provide more jobs.

But that would cost money so that's out, right?

How are you getting that I think we should go full socialist? Never mind, I know that's the go-to and last line of defense in such arguments.

As for getting a piece of the pie, God bless you for never having to worry your handicapped child will starve one day through no fault of his, or your, own. I do mean that, God bless you. How.lucky you are.

I can only ask one more time because now the dodging is just getting silly. *What would conservatives do about this issue rather than just cut programs?*
As I have said repeatedly ENFORCE THE RULES AND PUNISH THE FRAUD. It's really quite simple.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Paradise
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This post illustrates another problem many of us have with the attitudes on the right. No empathy. Sigh!
Your assumption about my empathy is completely wrong.

But I don't have to prove myself to you.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 07:04 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Revlon files for Chap 11 bankruptcy...didn't see that one coming.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/16/cosm...rotection.html
 
Old 06-16-2022, 07:06 AM
 
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It the problem is fraud, then the Repubs should be talking about eliminating fraud. Instead we hear tirades about cutting Social service programs and pulling oneself up by their bootstraps and eliminating abortion while at the same time eliminating WIC and other programs for young mothers. There is a major disconnect between what you are saying here and what Repubs are expounding on other threads and in the media.
This! Thank you.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 07:08 AM
 
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As I have said repeatedly ENFORCE THE RULES AND PUNISH THE FRAUD. It's really quite simple.
And how would they do that? It takes more vetting. More home visits. More regular physician visits to confirm the status of the handicap, with many parents - not me, thank you God - receiving those services due to low income. More jobs. Government jobs, paid by me...AND you (gasp).

Are you sure that's the solution? (By the way, I AM sure. But are you?)

If so then why do I never hear actual conservative politicians putting forth actions toward that goal?
 
Old 06-16-2022, 07:08 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Originally Posted by ansible90 View Post
It the problem is fraud, then the Repubs should be talking about eliminating fraud. Instead we hear tirades about cutting Social service programs and pulling oneself up by their bootstraps and eliminating abortion while at the same time eliminating WIC and other programs for young mothers. There is a major disconnect between what you are saying here and what Repubs are expounding on other threads and in the media.
Well the Democrats are in charge and they see no fraud
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