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It does take two. Why aren't those men saying no to sex if there's no birth control? Why aren't men supplying a condom? Don't laugh. There's no reason they can't do either of those things. Instead they are pushing women to have sex and refusing to use condoms. And some stealthily remove their condoms during sex. Men could be part of the solution if they wanted to be.
Yep, the government hands out condoms for free too.
Why arent men using them.
It does take two. Why aren't those men saying no to sex if there's no birth control? Why aren't men supplying a condom? Don't laugh. There's no reason they can't do either of those things. Instead they are pushing women to have sex and refusing to use condoms. And some stealthily remove their condoms during sex. Men could be part of the solution if they wanted to be.
Nope. You'd only believe that if you think women are inferior to men and willingly submit to men's every command.
And as for the supposed stealth removal of condom thing? It's the women themselves reporting that they don't use birth control... 95% of those with unintended pregnancies. If they don't want to get pregnant, why aren't they using birth control?
It does take two. Why aren't those men saying no to sex if there's no birth control? Why aren't men supplying a condom? Don't laugh. There's no reason they can't do either of those things. Instead they are pushing women to have sex and refusing to use condoms. And some stealthily remove their condoms during sex. Men could be part of the solution if they wanted to be.
It does take two...but only one is allowed to make the decision for abortion.
There are men who do exactly what you are saying, but there are also women who lie and tell the man that they are on "birth control" when they are not. Yet, they are apparently not held to the same "standard".
The fact is that even with both using Birth Control, pregnancy is a possibility. If you are willing to have sex, then you need to be willing to accept the result of that encounter.
Yep, the government hands out condoms for free too.
Why arent men using them.
They don't get pregnant. Just biological reality. You know... science. I eat healthy and exercise but that doesn't keep someone else who doesn't from getting obese. Any woman who voluntarily has male/female sex without using birth control should automatically assume she's chosen to accept an outcome of... pregnancy.
So you would allow the choice to abort a baby all the way to birth? If not, now aren't you anti-choice according to your own word games. If so, some births go past the due date. What is the difference between a baby that is 9.5 months in the womb versus a baby that is born premature at 8 months? Why should it be okay to kill one, but not okay to kill the other?
Abortion literally ends a life. That life that ended didn't have a choice. We can play these word games in the other direction too.
Human history has been an expansion of personhood status. To serfs, to women, to slaves, to LGBTQIA+ members, to hopefully the unborn. We should judge a society by how it treats its most vulnerable.
It definitely could go both ways. To be clear she sought out the group that had her contact me. I didn't pressure.
It is great that you were there for her, someone who had been in her shoes. I think many girls/women get pressure both ways from a lot of different people, so it would be hard to sort out alone.
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Likely because the poorest people can't afford abortions.
True. But then, again, they don't have to worry about doctor bills, hospital bills and the cost of raising a child.
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^ sounds a tad anecdotal.
Decades ago, I volunteered with PP, when abortion was approaching its peak in the 80’s.
Most who made contact were committed to aborting for a variety of personal reasons, usually age, lack of financial resources, other children no desire to marry, etc. Carrying, delivering and putting the infant up for adoption was always an alternative.
From my experience, PP was far more about birth control, preventing pregnancy, than abortion.
Abortion is at the lowest level, since Roe v Wade. State Medicaid pays for at least 65% of all births in 8 states, red and blue. A slew of states are at the tipping point, 50%, again red and blue.
The majority of baby formula is paid for by state WIC and SNAP. Each state enters into agreements with specific manufacturers, a bidding process. As a result, only certain brands are eligible for purchase with WIC and SNAP, creating artificial supply and demand challenges.
Medicaid funding of pre natal, delivery and post natal care tends to be the start of 18 years of welfare dependency. The US has a very high infant mortality rate compared to other developing countries. A some of it is attributed to lousy self care during pregnancy.
Those with means will travel to abort, no diff than what happened before Roe v Wade. Those without means will likely become public burdens.
As we know, it takes a male and female to engage in unprotected sex to create a fetus, regardless of either party’s emotional stability or financial ability to take full responsibility for the consequence.
Well, the taxpayers supporting those low to no income mothers having babies is going to get a lot worse. Through a loophole in Medicaid, births for illegal aliens are covered (under emergency care), and then after the baby, a US citizen, is born, the family can move in public housing and get the full array of welfare benefits for the US citizen baby (better known as an anchor baby). I hear a lot of complaining about people of color that are our citizens having babies they can't support, but little to none about the influx of illegal aliens and birthing and raising their kids!
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It does take two. Why aren't those men saying no to sex if there's no birth control? Why aren't men supplying a condom? Don't laugh. There's no reason they can't do either of those things. Instead they are pushing women to have sex and refusing to use condoms. And some stealthily remove their condoms during sex. Men could be part of the solution if they wanted to be.
The man won't have anything to say until the woman is pregnant, and then, abortion will be attractive to him. Also, there is a rising number of pregnant women who are murdered.
“In 2015, when we surveyed women who had an abortion, they indicated men were the most influential factor in their decision,” said Roland Warren, president and CEO of Care Net.
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Of course, they sell a service. It’s like going to a car dealership and expecting no one to try to sell you a car.
Did they quit selling body parts? Abortion is a real money maker, and no one can deny that.
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It does take two...but only one is allowed to make the decision for abortion.
There are men who do exactly what you are saying, but there are also women who lie and tell the man that they are on "birth control" when they are not. Yet, they are apparently not held to the same "standard".
The fact is that even with both using Birth Control, pregnancy is a possibility. If you are willing to have sex, then you need to be willing to accept the result of that encounter.
Yes, they need to accept that a pregnancy is a possibility, and I cannot imagine that anyone engaging in sex doesn't realize that these days! Birth control is the responsibility of both parties. Also, with disease out there, people having casual sex with near strangers, you would think anyone that cared about their health would be using condoms!
I think probably a real issue is drunk sex, drugged sex, and where someone thinks they may be pregnant by someone other than their significant other.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
They don't get pregnant. Just biological reality. You know... science. I eat healthy and exercise but that doesn't keep someone else who doesn't from getting obese. Any woman who voluntarily has male/female sex without using birth control should automatically assume she's chosen to accept an outcome of... pregnancy.
As should the man accept that, and what his financial responsibilites will be if the woman gets pregnant! That could turn out to be a very high priced good time!
All the time on here, we hear men complaining about child support and how the woman gets over. Don't want to risk paying child support? Keep your pants on!
As far as PP, I am guessing it does make somewhat of a difference in who you are, where you are, who counsels you. They can never escape the "eugenics" of their founder though.
Nope. You'd only believe that if you think women are inferior to men and willingly submit to men's every command.
Yeah, no. Women are not inferior to men, but that does not mean that some men aren't overbearing and aggressive. Some to the point of abuse and some maybe not. I'm sure you know domestic abuse happens. Women aren't always in a position to say no. You might come back and say yeah, but that's rape and they should call the police, but unfortunately, that's not how it works.
Yeah, no. Women are not inferior to men, but that does not mean that some men aren't overbearing and aggressive. Some to the point of abuse and some maybe not. I'm sure you know domestic abuse happens. Women aren't always in a position to say no. You might come back and say yeah, but that's rape and they should call the police, but unfortunately, that's not how it works.
Yes, and many women cannot take hormonal birth control. I would say that about half of my friends at this point had to stop taking birth control hormones due to bad reactions such as dangerously high blood pressure, etc. I do have one friend whose husband tampered with condoms, so it absolutely happens. I don’t know how you can say no to something you don’t know is happening. The laws right now still aren’t really that clear on consent in situations where someone consents, but not to having sex without protection.
As should the man accept that, and what his financial responsibilites will be if the woman gets pregnant! That could turn out to be a very high priced good time!
That actually does happen. Men are court-ordered to pay child support all the time. Hunter Biden was successfully sued for child support by the exotic dancer mother of his illegitimate daughter. All it takes is a DNA test to prove paternity.
Yeah, no. Women are not inferior to men, but that does not mean that some men aren't overbearing and aggressive.
So are some women. There are women who commit domestic abuse. It's not a males only thing.
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