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Old 06-22-2022, 08:42 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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It's not one size fits all.

Many separated couples have disagreements on finances, custody of children etc. The courts will get involved.

Also, what happens if you meet someone new and they insisted on getting married, because civil unions aren't equal to marriage, and may not even be offered in your state. Plus, civil unions are not recognized federally in the USA.

Legally you can't marry them until you are divorced.
Being that marriage is what we have the civil union argument is a bit of a moot point. I thought that's how it should be and it may have moved the decision up a few years because it wouldn't offend religious blow hards. I think separation of church and state is why you would use the term instead of marriage.

However it's fine the way it is. I am in favor of any term you call it as long as it levels the playing field.
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:42 AM
 
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What opportunities are being denied ?
If your view as there is nothing lost if someone can not be legally married then why do you suppose most heterosexuals become legally married?
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:45 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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If your view as there is nothing lost if someone can not be legally married then why do you suppose most heterosexuals become legally married?
This is Japan we are talking about, not the US.

What opportunities are lost ?

Japan still holds on to the traditional approach...husband works, wife stays home, 2 kids.
Although that model is becoming harder to live by with increasing costs.

they aren't backwards...just traditional and want to stay that way.
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:48 AM
 
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This is Japan we are talking about, not the US.

What opportunities are lost ?

Japan still holds on to the traditional approach...husband works, wife stays home, 2 kids.
they aren't backwards...just traditional and want to stay that way.
I dont know specifically what opportunities are lost but if heterosexuals are choosing to follow through with a legal marriage and homosexuals are wanting to go through a legal marriage, then there must be some real or perceived benefits to legal marriage.

It doesnt matter what Japan wants. Countries dont have rights, individuals have rights.
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:49 AM
 
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I dont know specifically what opportunities are lost but if heterosexuals are choosing to follow through with a legal marriage and homosexuals are wanting to go through a legal marriage, then there must be some real or perceived benefits to legal marriage.

It doesnt matter what Japan wants. Countries dont have rights, individuals have rights.
Countries create the rights, like it or not.
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Japan is very conservative in values. I'm not surprised at all by this.
Japan is not conservative. Japan is traditional.

A conservative country would be Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Kuwait, where being gay could be a death sentence, porn is banned, and committing crime gets you deported. In Kuwait, sex outside of marriage is illegal.

Nevertheless, it proves how different the world is when you step outside your country.

There won’t be any gender studies, non-binary recognition, pronoun craziness, or men enter womens locker rooms in that country.
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:55 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Japan is not conservative. Japan is traditional.

A conservative country would be Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Kuwait, where being gay could be a death sentence, porn is banned, and committing crime gets you deported. In Kuwait, sex outside of marriage is illegal.

Nevertheless, it proves how different the world is when you step outside your country.

There won’t be any gender studies, non-binary recognition, pronoun craziness, or men enter womens locker rooms in that country.
Yes you are right. I used the wrong word. Traditional is the correct term.
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Countries dont have rights, individuals have rights.
Individuals do not have rights. Rights are simply a consensus of what people claim everyone should have. In America it’s a right to have guns and insult the president, in Saudi Arabia, you can get hanged for it.

I can claim to have a right to free education, housing, healthcare, and reparations. Yet clearly there’s no American consensus on my right to those things.

The only “right” you have, is the individual right to do something in response to the lack of “rights” you think you have or don’t have.

Now whether that gets you beheaded for treason or celebrated as a revolutionary depends on the country.
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:02 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Japan is not conservative. Japan is traditional.

A conservative country would be Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Kuwait, where being gay could be a death sentence, porn is banned, and committing crime gets you deported. In Kuwait, sex outside of marriage is illegal.

Nevertheless, it proves how different the world is when you step outside your country.

There won’t be any gender studies, non-binary recognition, pronoun craziness, or men enter womens locker rooms in that country.
Japan is much more liberal in their sensibilities socially. Japan is much crazier in regards to what you see on a daily basis compared to the USA. Their national theatre art Kabuki is drag queens ( I don't consider it drag but many people here seem to have mental problems with it and call it that) for example only men perform in it. The image of Japan is traditional but in many ways anything goes there.
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:10 AM
 
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Countries create the rights, like it or not.
Countries dont create the rights, they create the laws. Laws dont equal rights, they are just a decision made by a government about which rights they will or wont respect.
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