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View Poll Results: Does America have an identity crisis ?
No identity Crisis 18 22.50%
America needs to return to the based 18 22.50%
America identity needs to be decoupled from Whiteness 10 12.50%
Whiteness needs to be embraced as part of multiculutralism 25 31.25%
other 9 11.25%
Voters: 80. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-22-2022, 05:52 PM
 
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This is a rather difficult question with no easy answer , particularly one that can be readily hashed out within the confines of a forum post .

That said I will try and attempt to answer this query to the best of my ability , based on my vote of " other " with respect to the poll that has been provided :

The conception of nationality at the beginning of the United States did indeed have a ( for lack of a better term ) " white racialist " aspect to it as evidenced by among other things the Naturalization Act of 1790 , and it's not at all ludicrous to assume that the aforementioned " white racialist " conception of American nationality will make a renaissance of sorts in the coming years due to increasing tribalism all across the board in our now long fallen Republic .

White racialists ( aka nationalists ) are correct to point out that the phenomenon of white people identifying as white people for the purpose of pursuing a political program centered around the theme of advancing their interests as white people is still rather taboo in contemporary mainstream American society , to an extent that is not seen with respect to racialist groups that are nonwhite , as evidenced by ( f.ex ) this SPLC report which relates to this aspect of the present subject :

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...s-our-hate-map


That said one of the main points of departure between my own views regarding this matter and that of white racialists is that I do not believe it is anymore beneficial for Americans who happen to be white to rally en masse around a racialized conception of nationality , than it is for their American counterparts who happen to be nonwhite .

Put simply and without going into all the inevitably long winded moral implications of this matter , the United States of America is far too big and far too diverse in demographic makeup for any one group to dominate/rule/wholly set the tone for it , especially without attempting to resort to mass oppression of other groups .

This view of mine is also precisely why I reject the notion of any one group systemically oppressing any other group in the contemporary United States , because in my humble view no group is powerful enough at this point to do so .

While it's most likely that a society as diverse as ours will always experience a greater degree of race and other demographic group related tensions which couldn't materialize in more homogeneous societies , I nonetheless believe that it would be far more prudent for us Americans to attempt a greater try at coexisting the best we can with one another , since any alternative could all too easily lead to grave chaos to say the least .

So instead of encouraging the formation of a racially conceived model of nationality and/or continuing to tread down the path of contemporary anti racism ( which is just as bad IMO ) , I am of the opinion that American society should trod down the path of emphasizing its original British derived colonial/frontier roots , a mode of order that is part and parcel of Western Civilization in general .

One needn't be a purely Anglo-Saxon descended white person to appreciate the legacy our Founders , as imperfect as they were in many aspects , have left us nor does one need to savagely cling to every word expressed within ( f.ex ) the Constitution as long as one doesn't discard its main principles/spirit .

Indeed the United States of the present day needs much reform , including of the constitutional variety , however one of the gravest mistakes that those who point out the inherited faults of our past make is that of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .

American society must progress in line with American principles , as opposed to against them , a principle that should be heeded by Americans of all races ( among other demographic group characteristics ) if this society is to avoid the precipice of potential ruin .

P.S. I'll be linking what I believe is the original text of the Naturalization Act of 1790 , since I'd like to think that others will find it most informative :

https://loveman.sdsu.edu/docs/1790naturalizationact.pdf
One correction, white or any other race of person isn't a racist just because they are a nationalist. You must have meant a supremacist instead. Nationalism is akin to patriotism and that isn't racism.
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:19 PM
 
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One correction, white or any other race of person isn't a racist just because they are a nationalist. You must have meant a supremacist instead. Nationalism is akin to patriotism and that isn't racism.
Nationalism is n extreme form of patriotism with disdain for others. Not just as a love for your country (which is what patriotism is), but a sense of superiority.
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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You gotta break them down to build them back up.

You have 2 generations (Y and Z) that will willingly give up being Americans.
You have X which were kinda sandwiched in but K-12 was just starting out with this "you should hate America" theme..the younger ones will hop on the bandwagon.
Boomers...they are old and will die off soon

You want to change society you start with the children and enough are now adults that they can make changes and those changes are pushed on to society.


This is not something new. History is full of this even going back to the Roman Empire.

I grew up in the time of assimilation in NYC. Everyone spoke English wherever you went.
What kid wants to hate America? that’s just ridiculous. They want to stop the foolishness that boomers keep harping on. Boomers don’t want inclusivity and want all to stay apart. They think bringing up the past mistakes will expose how it really is today under the masks.
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:34 PM
 
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Nationalism is n extreme form of patriotism with disdain for others. Not just as a love for your country (which is what patriotism is), but a sense of superiority.
na·tion·al·ism
NOUN
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations: (not those within our own borders but other nations.)

advocacy of or support for the political independence of a particular nation.

Where's the superiority? Loving your own country and putting it first does not equate to that. Nothing extreme about it and it is patriotism.
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:36 PM
 
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What kid wants to hate America? that’s just ridiculous. They want to stop the foolishness that boomers keep harping on. Boomers don’t want inclusivity and want all to stay apart. They think bringing up the past mistakes will expose how it really is today under the masks.
What foolishness are most of the boomers harping on and since when don't they want to include others? Stereotyping, are we or just outright lies?
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:39 PM
 
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What foolishness are most of the boomers harping on and since when don't they want to include others? Stereotyping, are we or just outright lies?
It’s unfair to say boomers as many were pro-civil rights.

I prefer to just say most conservatives.
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Old 06-23-2022, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Sunny So. Cal.
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That was enough. That is where I stopped reading because I know the rest will be woke bull****.

No point of reading a diatribe that may or may not even have a legitimate point, but starts out with a false premise. I don't see "white" in the Constitution or Bill of Rights at all. Do you? If so, I'd suggest glasses and burning your woke creative non-fiction "history books."
The article is more white-supremacist than woke bs.
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Old 06-23-2022, 08:05 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Americanism has long been implicitly linked to Whiteness, but that is not viable long term as diversity is inevitable.
https://robertstark.substack.com/p/r...and-the-future
I see no connection between whiteness and Americanism. Chinese and Japanese people definitely came to escape medieval and tyrannical systems for something better. Ditto South Asian and Jews. While the latter may seem "white" they are not part of the Middle-American culture. We all celebrate our American-ness, and skin color is absolutely not part of it.

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Nationalism is n extreme form of patriotism with disdain for others. Not just as a love for your country (which is what patriotism is), but a sense of superiority.
Not at all. Any more than the gushing pride parents experience at the birth of a child implies that they feel superiority over other parents.
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Old 06-23-2022, 08:48 AM
 
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Some called for diversity, wound up with tribalism. Some called for inclusion, wound up with tribalism. Some hinted at assimilation, wound up with tribalism. The 'identity crisis' in this country is self inflicted. Like it or not, right or wrong, everyone prefers their own tribe.
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Old 06-23-2022, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Habsburg Lands of Old
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One correction, white or any other race of person isn't a racist just because they are a nationalist. You must have meant a supremacist instead. Nationalism is akin to patriotism and that isn't racism.
Yes I dislike using the term nationalist in relation to racially oriented politics , yet I sometimes use it nonetheless for the sake of convenience .

There is also a difference between racial separatists and supremacists in my humble view as well , but that is a topic unto itself .
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