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Old 06-24-2022, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Just to add they should revisit Griswold, Lawrence and Obergefell decisions. They were based in the same faulty preface that they were rights enshrine in the constitution when in fact they are not called out anywhere nor are they implied.

This has taught everyone that progressives want to rewrite the laws according to their beliefs and conservatives want to hold the country to the constitution as written.

Me? Libertarian.. live and let live
If you want libertarian Live and Let Live, then states should not be able to restrict abortion either, and especially if it is not mentioned in their state's constitution. Let's keep it consistent.

 
Old 06-24-2022, 04:57 PM
Status: "Let this year be over..." (set 16 days ago)
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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The SCOTUS did not ban abortions.

Are you aware of that?

The SCOTUS simply sent the topic to voters for the to vote on it in each state.

That's Democracy pure and simple.

Are you against Democracy?
And the 1st of the state laws banning all abortions is no in effect, no vote from citizens, no discussion from citizens just a law approved by a bunch of Right Wing Conservatives.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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SCOTUS Clarence Thomas went on record today and said the court should look at overturning other cases that grant individuals privacy.

- Contraception

- Same-sex unions


He didn't limit the scope (i.e. "just teens"). He specifically mentioned wide-sweeping cases that were previously decided by SCOTUS in the past.
Perhaps not overturn other cases, but when challenged at the level of Roe in Dobbs, the underlying rationale that there was no 'right' to begin with should be considered, as it was in Dobbs. And then let the states have it.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 04:58 PM
 
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If you want libertarian Live and Let Live, then states should not be able to restrict abortion either, and especially if it is not mentioned in their constitution. Let's keep it consistent.

State can pass laws and the Feds are going to butt out like it should have been since 1973. You liberals should be consistent in all laws.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 04:59 PM
 
Location: USA
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If you want libertarian Live and Let Live, then states should not be able to restrict abortion either, and especially if it is not mentioned in their state's constitution. Let's keep it consistent.
Libertarianism is all about freedom. Why shouldn’t states have the freedom to restrict abortion? The definition of freedom necessarily includes the freedom to take away someone else’s freedom.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Every victim does not go to the hospital right away.

That said, in states that decide to consider the Morning After pill as an abortion med, the hospitals won't have those pills available. Then what?
Then the voters in those states will have the freedom to elect legislators who will follow the will of the people they represent in that state.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 05:00 PM
 
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And the 1st of the state laws banning all abortions is no in effect, no vote from citizens, no discussion from citizens just a law approved by a bunch of Right Wing Conservatives.

Isn't that how Roe was shoved down the people and all 50 states and territories by a bunch of activist judges? Why it was ok for you for 49 years and when the other side does it on a state level you cry foul?
 
Old 06-24-2022, 05:02 PM
 
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And the 1st of the state laws banning all abortions is no in effect, no vote from citizens, no discussion from citizens just a law approved by a bunch of Right Wing Conservatives.
All states vary in their abortion laws and have for decades. They didn’t make them up today.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 05:04 PM
 
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I can’t wait to view the cadre of pregnant men parading in the street to protest.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Birth control may also be outlawed. It's on their agenda.
Umm.... No.

They are talking about tax-payer funding of birth control. They are talking about extorting taxes from the public to pay for birth control. Birth control of all kind will always be available to people who want to pay for it out of pocket, or who can get someone else to volunteer to foot the bill.

The point is to get back to where people have to pay to play, have to take responsibility for their own purchases.

They are talking about ending FREE NO COST birth control, not outlawing its availability.
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