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Old 06-24-2022, 08:21 PM
 
Location: At the corner of happy and free
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It is not intended to make fun of anyone or anything. The male and female drag performers are good friends and give each other tips on authenticity. Drag shows are pure theater. if you have never been to one, I urge you to go and see for yourself first hand the artistry that goes into the costumes, hair, makeup, and mimicry of the opposite gender's traits.

Al Jolson performed in blackface most of his career. That was an entirely different era, which though unacceptable by today's standards reflected the attitudes of the Vaudeville era. That said, it was still racist. In blackface, any performer could get a laugh from an audience by doing something stupid that was considered stereotypical then for a black person. "Amos and Andy" is another sterling example. The original radio show was performed by white men. To their credit and the changing of the times, when the television show began filming in 1951 they hired a black cast to fill the roles. They still played the buffoons and bumblers that the audience had come to expect, but it was a half step up.

It wasn't until the late 1950s and early 1960s that black actors were given honest roles as something besides simpletons or hired help. Rod Serling and Blake Edwards wrote serious television roles for black men and women as law officers, scientists, and a lot of other serious lead and supporting roles. Star Trek brought diversity to the fore with their casting in 1966.
As a woman, I find drag queens' caricaturistic depictions of women offensive. They show no regard to women's intellect or depth of character, just women as sex symbols based on outward appearance. I don't care how "artistic" the hair and costumes are; they are degrading women by looking and acting as they do.

Everyone else gets to be offended over every little thing these days. Society bends over backwards to make sure no one is offended. Why is this ok? I think that portraying women in this way is insulting, but the drag queen defenders dont care if some women are offended.

If drag was being done only for adults, I'd still dislike the caricatures, but at least it would only involve adults. I am especially disgusted that the defenders don't care that drag queens want to implant this offensive, sexualized caricature of women into the minds of little boys and girls.
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Old 06-24-2022, 08:23 PM
 
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Cool. How about quote a couple of verses relating what Jesus said about homosexuals?

Also, you really need to ask a few of your homosexual friends about how they "chose" to become gay. Yes, you do have homosexual friends. Somewhere around 5% of all humans are not heterosexual. They will tell you the truth.
Yes, between 1990 and 2005 i lived in the gay neighborhood and went out dancing, hanging out and being part of that community, marched in the pride parade.. then i kinda drifted off . .life changed and i sorta drifted apart. Been there, done that, got the T shirt.

Jesus talked about homosexuality, he said marriage was between a man and woman. In Genesis God created man and woman (no transgenders). the Book of Corinthians says about people who WERE evil sinners, and then became a Christian - Corinthians 6:11: 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
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Old 06-24-2022, 08:38 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I worked as a stagehand for an alternative circus group that booked strippers, burlesque, Boylesque, and drag shows in addition to jugglers, stilt walkers, fire eaters, belly dancers, aerial performers, knife throwers, magicians, and assorted musical acts. I was active until 2015. We could have crossed paths at one time or another.

This is a picture of me with some of my buddies in NOLA in May, 2015. That's me in the middle in the blue shirt with Miss Burlesque Ireland 2018 sitting on my lap. The show was a recreation of Anderson's in Storyville, where the performers interacted with the audience in character as assorted employees of a bawdy house. Directly behind me in black is Armitage Shanks, who is one of the premiere Burlesque show MCs in the world.
My time, at least at that level, was way back when Journey was huge and bands like Mötley Crüe and Def Leppard were the latest rage in the music scene. We gigged mostly in the northwest US and Far East/Asia. And some club circuits in "flyover country." Ah, the good old days. Sigh...


To be fair here, yes, the drag queen thing has been around a long, long time, BUT it has only recently been something that anyone (besides a very few) would consider suitable for little kids. And yes, I still say they are making fun of women, but being freedom minded, that in itself although annoying is something everyone has to decide for themselves. What torques me though, is now all of a sudden there is this drive to make it acceptable for small children. For a good many of us out there, it just isn't and never will be.
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Old 06-24-2022, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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My time, at least at that level, was way back when Journey was huge and bands like Mötley Crüe and Def Leppard were the latest rage in the music scene. We gigged mostly in the northwest US and Far East. And some club circuits in "flyover country." Ah, the good old days. Sigh...
You were in a different loop than I was. But yes, the days were indeed the best.
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Old 06-24-2022, 10:59 PM
 
Location: USA
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As a woman, I find drag queens' caricaturistic depictions of women offensive. They show no regard to women's intellect or depth of character, just women as sex symbols based on outward appearance. I don't care how "artistic" the hair and costumes are; they are degrading women by looking and acting as they do.

Everyone else gets to be offended over every little thing these days. Society bends over backwards to make sure no one is offended. Why is this ok? I think that portraying women in this way is insulting, but the drag queen defenders dont care if some women are offended.

If drag was being done only for adults, I'd still dislike the caricatures, but at least it would only involve adults. I am especially disgusted that the defenders don't care that drag queens want to implant this offensive, sexualized caricature of women into the minds of little boys and girls.
I agree with you. Drag queens' caricatures of women are vapid, shallow, silly, and one-dimensional. They ridicule and mock women and womanhood. No depth, no soul, no brains. Just flashy, shrill, over-sexualized garbage. That's what women are to these guys.

I've wondered if drag queens' dreadful caricatures of women are based on envy of women, hostility toward women, self-hatred, or a combination of these traits. They have very strange, rather warped ideas about women.

Defenders of drag queens, in regard to young children, are more interested in showing they're open-minded, tolerant, and inclusive than in protecting the minds and psyches of children ... because virtue signaling is more important than innocence.
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Old 06-25-2022, 06:31 AM
 
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Any parent would thinks it is OK to have their little Kids around things like drag-queen-story-hour,
drag-queen-burlesque, are probably the same type people who have children victimized with the type of criminality in this story.
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Old 06-25-2022, 06:47 AM
 
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let me try to get this straight -- Was there any connection between a) she was found to be in possession of child pornographic materials, and b) she has a personal history of performing as a "drag queen"

Or is it just a grabber to get the riffraff to scream for "the full extent of the law". Or is it just prosecutors "pilimg on", their forte?
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Old 06-25-2022, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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As a woman, I find drag queens' caricaturistic depictions of women offensive. They show no regard to women's intellect or depth of character, just women as sex symbols based on outward appearance. I don't care how "artistic" the hair and costumes are; they are degrading women by looking and acting as they do.

Everyone else gets to be offended over every little thing these days. Society bends over backwards to make sure no one is offended. Why is this ok? I think that portraying women in this way is insulting, but the drag queen defenders dont care if some women are offended.

If drag was being done only for adults, I'd still dislike the caricatures, but at least it would only involve adults. I am especially disgusted that the defenders don't care that drag queens want to implant this offensive, sexualized caricature of women into the minds of little boys and girls.
Don’t go to the show. Problem solved.

It’s like when Pat Robertson made the statement “Every time I see a picture of gay men kissing it makes me want to vomit.” Apparently nobody told him the problem would solve itself if he quit searching the internet for pictures of two men kissing.
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Old 06-25-2022, 08:17 AM
 
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Yes, between 1990 and 2005 i lived in the gay neighborhood and went out dancing, hanging out and being part of that community, marched in the pride parade.. then i kinda drifted off . .life changed and i sorta drifted apart. Been there, done that, got the T shirt.

Jesus talked about homosexuality, he said marriage was between a man and woman. In Genesis God created man and woman (no transgenders). the Book of Corinthians says about people who WERE evil sinners, and then became a Christian - Corinthians 6:11: 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
Wrong, the bible mentions 'Eunuchs' (spelling?)


They were neither male or female.
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Old 06-25-2022, 08:47 AM
 
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As a woman, I find drag queens' caricaturistic depictions of women offensive. They show no regard to women's intellect or depth of character, just women as sex symbols based on outward appearance. I don't care how "artistic" the hair and costumes are; they are degrading women by looking and acting as they do.

Everyone else gets to be offended over every little thing these days. Society bends over backwards to make sure no one is offended. Why is this ok? I think that portraying women in this way is insulting, but the drag queen defenders dont care if some women are offended.

If drag was being done only for adults, I'd still dislike the caricatures, but at least it would only involve adults. I am especially disgusted that the defenders don't care that drag queens want to implant this offensive, sexualized caricature of women into the minds of little boys and girls.
I can’t rep you again but totally agree. This is spot on.
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