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Did you not read the part where I said the woman had a membrane rupture? It already happened. When a woman's water breaks before viability, there are no good outcomes. In the past, they would generally perform an abortion as soon as possible, if that was what the woman wanted to do. The doctors prefer that, because it's far less dangerous to do before the woman starts having symptoms, goes into sepsis, etc. Once there are major symptoms or sepsis, the chances of the woman dying go up very quickly.
There are no tests to predict membrane rupture. Treatment is always reactive, as it's unpredictable.
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You don't make sense. If there are no tests results, no symptoms, etc, that shows things are going wrong then why would they do an abortion when they had no reason to believe anything was wrong? If they knew something was wrong then they'd have proof of it.
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That's the current law. Here's the law that goes into effect 30 days after SCOTUS publishes the decision:
Sec. 170A.002. PROHIBITED ABORTION; EXCEPTIONS. (a) A person may not knowingly perform, induce, or attempt an abortion.
(b) The prohibition under Subsection (a) does not apply if:
(1) the person performing, inducing, or attempting the abortion is a licensed physician;
(2) in the exercise of reasonable medical judgment, the pregnant female on whom the abortion is performed, induced, or attempted has a life-threatening physical condition aggravated by, caused by, or arising from a pregnancy that places the female at risk of death or poses a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function unless the abortion is performed or induced; and
(3) the person performs, induces, or attempts the abortion in a manner that, in the exercise of reasonable medical judgment, provides the best opportunity for the unborn child to survive unless, in the reasonable medical judgment, that manner would create:
(A) a greater risk of the pregnant female's death; or
(B) a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant female.
(c) A physician may not take an action authorized under Subsection (b) if, at the time the abortion was performed, induced, or attempted, the person knew the risk of death or a substantial impairment of a major bodily function described by Subsection (b)(2) arose from a claim or diagnosis that the female would engage in conduct that might result in the female's death or in substantial impairment of a major bodily function.
(d) Medical treatment provided to the pregnant female by a licensed physician that results in the accidental or unintentional injury or death of the unborn child does not constitute a violation of this section.
There is nothing in there that allows an abortion as long as the fetus is alive unless it endangers the health of the mother. No abortions for anencephalic fetuses. No abortions for other birth defects that are not survivable for any length of time after birth. It's a law written by disgusting humans with no clue as to how pregnancies work or can fail. All drive by religious zealotry of the worst kind and a desire to force everyone to conform to the legislation writers' twisted sense of morality. There is no nuance with these people, and no sense of decency. They are all scum.
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Section 170A.002 prohibits a person from performing, inducing, or attempting an abortion. There are exceptions for situations in which the life or health of the pregnant patient is at risk. These exceptions are in subsection (b) of Section 170A.002. Three factors are listed:
A licensed physician must perform the abortion.
The patient must have a life-threatening condition and be at risk of death or "substantial impairment of a major bodily function" if the abortion is not performed. "Substantial impairment of a major bodily function" is not defined in this chapter.
The physician must try to save the life of the fetus unless this would increase the risk of the pregnant patient's death or impairment.
These exceptions do not apply in certain cases. One example is where the pregnant patient's risk of death or impairment arises from a risk of suicide or self-harm, according to subsection (c) of Section 170A.002.
This chapter does not apply in situations where a fetus accidentally dies or is injured due to medical treatment. This statement is found in subsection (d) of Section 170A.002.
Two polls released in the past 24 hours give Democrats hope the issue will move voters.
A CBS News/YouGov poll of 1,591 adults found 50% of Democrats were more likely to vote based on the Roe ruling, while only 20% of Republicans said the same.
In an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll out this morning (941 adults), 78% of Democrats said the court's decision makes them more likely to vote this fall — 24 points higher than Republicans.
Already, Texas Republicans are discussing new legislation that would allow district attorneys to criminally punish anyone who helps a person end a pregnancy outside Texas. And if an anti-abortion activist in a red state sees an opportunity to shut down or cause headaches for an abortion provider working in a blue state, it’s fair to expect they will try.
Maybe some idiots are talking but is it LAW right now? Will it pass?
Already, Texas Republicans are discussing new legislation that would allow district attorneys to criminally punish anyone who helps a person end a pregnancy outside Texas. And if an anti-abortion activist in a red state sees an opportunity to shut down or cause headaches for an abortion provider working in a blue state, it’s fair to expect they will try.
I'm not a lawyer or an expert in the law, but I don't see how this could possibly happen. Unless it becomes against the law for anyone to leave Texas, then anyone may do so, and the reason for doing so is entirely irrelevant. I'm pretty sure that states may only punish someone for violating their own laws, within the state in question.
I'm not a lawyer or an expert in the law, but I don't see how this could possibly happen. Unless it becomes against the law for anyone to leave Texas, then anyone may do so, and the reason for doing so is entirely irrelevant. I'm pretty sure that states may only punish someone for violating their own laws, within the state in question.
". . . new legislation that would allow district attorneys to criminally punish anyone who helps a person end a pregnancy outside Texas. "
You don't make sense. If there are no tests results, no symptoms, etc, that shows things are going wrong then why would they do an abortion when they had no reason to believe anything was wrong? If they knew something was wrong then they'd have proof of it.
The woman's amniotic sac ruptured. It can't be repaired. The end result is the fetus dies, or the fetus lives and is born with severe birth defects and possibly in great pain, or the woman gets a severe infection that increases the possibility of her dying by several orders of magnitude. Performing an abortion quickly ensures the woman lives, and the risks are much lower than if she is already suffering an infection. Just what tests do you think should be run, once the ruptured membrane is confirmed?
That site merely repeats the laws I linked to. Under the trigger law there is no exception that allows abortion for severe fetal defect. Only the life of the mother. Not rape, not incest, not fetal defect that's incompatible with life.
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