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Old 07-18-2022, 09:50 AM
 
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No Ohio did not. Under the abortion statute she could have had an abortion in Ohio.
Newsweek had a good analysis of the law, IMHO, and they concluded it was highly unlikely for the girl to get an abortion in Ohio:

Fact Check: Could Pregnant 10-Year-Old Girl Get an Abortion in Ohio? - Newsweek

 
Old 07-18-2022, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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A miscarriage is organic. Deliberately killing your child during a healthy pregnancy is intentional. See the difference?
It still isn't any of my business or your business because a woman decides to terminate her non-viable pregnancy. How would it be in the best interest of society to make it its business to find out about it and send her to prison, especially if she has little kids at home?
 
Old 07-18-2022, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Then why are those who have been convicted of committing fetal homicide in prison? What crime did they commit?
I don't mind fetal homicide laws if somebody causes a woman to lose her unborn baby against her will. But she should be the one filing such charges not the state. But fetal homicide laws don't make sense if somebody causes a woman to lose her unborn baby while on her way to an abortion clinic.
 
Old 07-18-2022, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Americans are horrified at the thought of forcing a 10 year old rape victim to give birth
It is torturing and traumatizing a child rape victim and putting her life at risk.

Rather than confront being identified as a soulless monster they instead called the incident a lie.
When the story is found to be true and republicans brutal treatment of this child is revealed they try to change the subject.

The average 10 year old girl weighs 70 pounds.
I'd be further horrified if any woman actually votes for a politician who advertises that he or she is 100% pro-life with no exceptions. That is taking it so outrageously far that the outcome could be double pro-death from the death of both the mother and fetus.
 
Old 07-18-2022, 10:29 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Newsweek had a good analysis of the law, IMHO, and they concluded it was highly unlikely for the girl to get an abortion in Ohio:

Fact Check: Could Pregnant 10-Year-Old Girl Get an Abortion in Ohio? - Newsweek
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The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest. The only exceptions beyond this point are for medical emergencies "to prevent the patient's death or 'a serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.'
Oh look, re the bolded, they intentionally cut out an important piece in that part of the statute.

The full of that part of the statute...
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or to avoid a serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman that delay in the performance or inducement of the abortion would create.
Why do you suppose they wanted to hide that the statute basically says...to "delay" an abortion could create a serious risk that could be "avoided" by having an abortion?

Goodness, a [so called] "fact checker" who uses unverified rumor to bolster his opinion piece...
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Several clinics were said to have received a letter ordering them to "immediately stop performing non-essential and elective surgical abortions."
Stop being told what to think and start thinking for yourselves.
 
Old 07-18-2022, 10:31 AM
 
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The Ohio AG already debunked that misrepresentation in a public statement. She could have had a legal abortion in OH, and anyone in a similar circumstance can as well.
No she could not. The law is so vaguely worded as to not specify Eminent loss of life and excludes mental health exception that providers would not perform the procedures as they would be at risk for prosecution.

From the Newsweek article

“Jessie Hill, a professor of law and associate dean at Case Western Reserve University, Ohio, who specializes in the "State of Reproductive Rights in Ohio & Beyond," threw cold water over Yost's comments.


"I think Yost is absolutely incorrect," Professor Hill said.

"It would be helpful to know which language in the law he thinks is applicable here. The law explicitly excludes mental health as a permissible reason for applying the medical necessity exception.

"And while giving birth as a 10-year-old is generally a very risky proposition, the medical exception is so narrowly and vaguely written that it's not clear how it would apply here. I do not believe an abortion provider would feel comfortable proceeding under this exception absent other medical circumstances.”

This is exactly what happened
 
Old 07-18-2022, 10:39 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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No she could not. The law is so vaguely worded as to not specify Eminent loss of life and excludes mental health exception that providers would not perform the procedures as they would be at risk for prosecution.

From the Newsweek article

“Jessie Hill, a professor of law and associate dean at Case Western Reserve University, Ohio, who specializes in the "State of Reproductive Rights in Ohio & Beyond," threw cold water over Yost's comments.


"I think Yost is absolutely incorrect," Professor Hill said.

"It would be helpful to know which language in the law he thinks is applicable here. The law explicitly excludes mental health as a permissible reason for applying the medical necessity exception.

"And while giving birth as a 10-year-old is generally a very risky proposition, the medical exception is so narrowly and vaguely written that it's not clear how it would apply here. I do not believe an abortion provider would feel comfortable proceeding under this exception absent other medical circumstances.”

This is exactly what happened
Yawn, she's extremely pro-abortion. It's her job.

https://case.edu/law/our-school/news...ve-rights-ohio

https://thedaily.case.edu/laws-jessi...ghts-dialogue/
 
Old 07-18-2022, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The Ohio AG already debunked that misrepresentation in a public statement. She could have had a legal abortion in OH, and anyone in a similar circumstance can as well.
Maybe the girl's mother was unable to find an Ohio doctor willing to do an abortion.
 
Old 07-18-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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Maybe the girl's mother was unable to find an Ohio doctor willing to do an abortion.
Exactly
4 years undergrad
4 years medical school
4 years residency
$150,000 in student loans
Now I am making bank and I am going to risk it all that I MIGHT not go to jail and lose my license?
No way
 
Old 07-18-2022, 11:17 AM
 
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So they're in prison because killing a fetus is criminal (felony) homicide. Makes sense as killing any other human without cause is a felony homicide criminal offense.

Do some people really NOT understand that killing an innocent other just because one wants to is wrong? How did some in our society become so depraved?
It is none of your business what a woman decides to do with her pregnancy, especially pre-viability. Zero. None. The fetus cannot survive on its own. I really cannot understand the judgmental attitude coming from the anti-abortion faction, that implies women are sluts, stupid, don't deserve control over their bodies, should be punished for harlotry, etc. No woman should be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Why is that so hard to understand?

If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. But please, stay out of the lives of women who have an unwanted pregnancy.

Fetal murder laws have nothing to do with abortion. Abortion is NOT murder.
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