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Old 06-29-2022, 09:59 PM
 
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Originally Posted by JerZ View Post
Then how will these children eat? Many more children means a lot more money needed.
Have you examined the numbers?

The poverty rate in Texas is 13.6%, and if we use that as the percent of not aborted children added to the total number of mouths to feed, the math goes as follows:

51,600 abortions performed in Texas in 2021. 13.6% of those, we can assume will be women below the poverty line and in need of assistance. So that's 51.,600 * 0.136 = 7,017 new poor children added to public assistance rolls.

Number of women and children in Texas currently receiving WIC = 675,806.

7,017/675,806 = 1.03% increase in WIC participants.

Number of children in Texas receiving SNAP (food stamps) to any degree, even free lunch = 2,035,000

7,017/2,035,000 = 0.34% increase in SNAP participants.

Something tells me the state can absorb a 1-2% max increase in the "how will these children eat?" budgets.

And that assumes ALL of the pregnant women in Texas simply cannot manage their abortion inside the fetal heartbeat window that is is 6 weeks minimum.

 
Old 06-29-2022, 10:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian View Post
Have you examined the numbers?

The poverty rate in Texas is 13.6%, and if we use that as the percent of not aborted children added to the total number of mouths to feed, the math goes as follows:

51,600 abortions performed in Texas in 2021. 13.6% of those, we can assume will be women below the poverty line and in need of assistance. So that's 51.,600 * 0.136 = 7,017 new poor children added to public assistance rolls.

Number of women and children in Texas currently receiving WIC = 675,806.

7,017/675,806 = 1.03% increase in WIC participants.

Number of children in Texas receiving SNAP (food stamps) to any degree, even free lunch = 2,035,000

7,017/2,035,000 = 0.34% increase in SNAP participants.

Something tells me the state can absorb a 1-2% max increase in the "how will these children eat?" budgets.

And that assumes ALL of the pregnant women in Texas simply cannot manage their abortion inside the fetal heartbeat window that is is 6 weeks minimum.
If this is accurate, then I'm relieved.
 
Old 06-29-2022, 10:12 PM
 
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If this is accurate, then I'm relieved.
Actually, those numbers are inflated towards your point, in an effort to illustrate how much of a non-issue it is.

I made the assumption that every single pregnant woman who otherwise would have had an abortion will simply throw up her hands and carry to term, instead of you know, getting an abortion inside the 6 week window that Texas allows abortion.

I also made the assumption that within a state with the new abortion law as it stands, not one single women among the average annual number who get abortions would, you know...change their behavior whatsoever, nor would any of the men who impregnate them.

All of those assumptions inflate the numbers as much as possible to help YOUR side of the arguments, and I still only get to like 1.5% additional load on the child welfare/food numbers. In reality, I bet it comes in around half a percent, maybe?

And you should be relieved.
 
Old 06-29-2022, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Time restrictions:
Because what happens most of the time is not what happens to all women all of the time. You have to accommodate other circumstances such as women with irregular periods who don't know they are pregnant until 2 or 2 and a half months later. Or the young teen who is afraid to tell her parents for a few months until she begins to show. Etc etc etc.

Any number of things could cause a woman to wait more than the "average" number of weeks. Plus the time it takes to find a doctor or facility, make an appointment, and get the money together to pay for the procedure. Women's cycles and lives do not go according to the calendar on your phone.
In Fl it’s $500. That’s a lot of money for a teen, single mom, poor mom to come up with stat. It takes several paychecks to even come up with it. Time is not on their side.

A medication abortion can cost up to $750, but it’s often less. The cost of the abortion pill can vary depending on the state or health center where you get care and whether you can use health insurance (private or government insurance)

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...tion-pill-cost
 
Old 06-29-2022, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Some of these states now have a total ban on it and not any exceptions.
What states have a total ban on with no exceptions on morning after pill - according to the data there are no states that currently have a ban on this pill and there are no states that have a total ban abortion with no exceptions. Use real data instead of scare tactics.
 
Old 06-29-2022, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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These abortion bans/restrictions wouldn’t be nearly so bad if it wasn’t for many religious conservatives also pushing for banning Sex Ed and contraceptives, and if they succeed, things will get very dire for many young women in these red states.
 
Old 06-29-2022, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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There are currently 13 million children in the US who live with food insecurity. Why is that, if Christians are happy to take on the responsibility of the physical needs of poor children? You're already failing in your task, why should we trust you to care for even more children?
Then stop having unprotected intercourse - part of responsibility is not getting pregnant in the first place. No one should propose or count on others to take care of another's irresponsibility - don't have children you can't care for but don't use abortion as the means to control having them.
 
Old 06-29-2022, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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What states have a total ban on with no exceptions on morning after pill - according to the data there are no states that currently have a ban on this pill and there are no states that have a total ban abortion with no exceptions. Use real data instead of scare tactics.


Plan B
Also known as emergency contraception, the morning-after pill contains medication that reduces the risk of pregnancy if started within 120 hours (five days) of unprotected intercourse. Levonorgestrel EC pills, like Plan B One-Step (R), Next Choice One Dose (R) and other generics contain the hormone progestin. They are available over the counter at drugstores without age restriction. At Walgreens or Amazon about $50,

Plan B is 95% effective if you take it within “24 hours” and 89% effective within 72 hours. But it might be less effective if you are ovulating, or have unprotected sex after taking Plan B. It is also less effective for women over 155 pounds — if this is the case, try a pill like Ella.Oct 27, 2021
https://www.insider.com › health › h...

So they are available and guess one needs to buy several boxes if you are married. You must know that not all women can take the pill. The patch has helped some, but it’s not a one size fills all. And men n condoms are both a pain. Really are.
 
Old 06-29-2022, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Then stop having unprotected intercourse - part of responsibility is not getting pregnant in the first place. No one should propose or count on others to take care of another's irresponsibility - don't have children you can't care for but don't use abortion as the means to control having them.
Yes. Since Adam n Eve stop having sex. Even king David a Godly man couldn’t do it -priests and presidents and millions more.
Good luck with that bud. FYI there was plenty of abortions before women could vote in this country and it was legal.
 
Old 06-30-2022, 06:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian View Post
Have you examined the numbers?

The poverty rate in Texas is 13.6%, and if we use that as the percent of not aborted children added to the total number of mouths to feed, the math goes as follows:

51,600 abortions performed in Texas in 2021. 13.6% of those, we can assume will be women below the poverty line and in need of assistance. So that's 51.,600 * 0.136 = 7,017 new poor children added to public assistance rolls.

Number of women and children in Texas currently receiving WIC = 675,806.

7,017/675,806 = 1.03% increase in WIC participants.

Number of children in Texas receiving SNAP (food stamps) to any degree, even free lunch = 2,035,000

7,017/2,035,000 = 0.34% increase in SNAP participants.

Something tells me the state can absorb a 1-2% max increase in the "how will these children eat?" budgets.

And that assumes ALL of the pregnant women in Texas simply cannot manage their abortion inside the fetal heartbeat window that is is 6 weeks minimum.
That 6 week window disappears 30 days after the SCOTUS decision is final. At that point, abortion will be banned in Texas, except to save the life of the woman. See Texas Health and Safety Code section 170A.
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