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Old 06-24-2022, 08:17 PM
 
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and there will be some that want to ban abortion entirely:

1. Who will pay for prenatal care if the mother can't afford it? (For example, Texas leads the nation in teen pregnancies.)

2. How will states deal with an increase in babies the parents can't afford? How will social programs to feed these babies be expanded?

3. Will state-funded DNA testing be automatically enacted to confirm paternity? How will paternity tests be bodily forced upon accused fathers?

4. Will stiffer penalties, including prison, be enforced against fathers who refuse to pay child support? Will the mothers be represented pro bono if they can't afford attorneys to ensure this happens?

5. Will rape charges be brought by the state if the girl is underage and the man isn't?

 
Old 06-24-2022, 08:20 PM
 
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and there will be some that want to ban abortion entirely:

1. Who will pay for prenatal care if the mother can't afford it? (For example, Texas leads the nation in teen pregnancies.)

2. How will states deal with an increase in babies the parents can't afford? How will social programs to feed these babies be expanded?

3. Will state-funded DNA testing be automatically enacted to confirm paternity? How will paternity tests be bodily forced upon accused fathers?

4. Will there be stiffer penalties, including prison, be enforced against fathers who refuse to pay child support? Will the mothers be represented pro bono if they can't afford attorneys to ensure this happens?

5. Will rape charges be brought by the state if the girl us underage and the man isn't?
Taxpayers will be forced to foot the bill. Next question please.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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That is the State's concern. Just like every other social, criminal and medical issue is the State's concern. The states decide parental rights laws, whether and to what extent its citizens have a right to privacy, what constitutes murder, what constitutes rape, what consents a doctor needs to perform various procedures, what is the age of maturity for various activities, what is defined as a person, what limits there will be with regard to parenting children.. . . All of this is the State's prerogative and varies from state to state. The rule is simple, if you do not like the way your state handles things, move to another state. The federal government steps in only when something is expressly prohibited or required by the constitution. No one has ever been able to define how or where abortion fits into the constitution - because it doesn't. (Unless you define the baby as a person then the reqruiements for trial and against cruel and unusual punishment might apply.) Unless the constitution is changed, it is a state issue.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 08:33 PM
 
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That is the State's concern. Just like every other social, criminal and medical issue is the State's concern. The states decide parental rights laws, whether and to what extent its citizens have a right to privacy, what constitutes murder, what constitutes rape, what consents a doctor needs to perform various procedures, what is the age of maturity for various activities, what is defined as a person, what limits there will be with regard to parenting children.. . . All of this is the State's prerogative and varies from state to state. The rule is simple, if you do not like the way your state handles things, move to another state. The federal government steps in only when something is expressly prohibited or required by the constitution. No one has ever been able to define how or where abortion fits into the constitution - because it doesn't. (Unless you define the baby as a person then the reqruiements for trial and against cruel and unusual punishment might apply.) Unless the constitution is changed, it is a state issue.
Pence has already come out and said it shouldn’t be a state issue; he tweeted that it should be a federal ban on all abortion.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 08:34 PM
 
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All of the op's questions can be answered by simply applying what their answer would be for children already born in those circumstances.

If a child is born in poor circumstances, should we just kill them?

According to the pro-death cults logic, the answer should be yes.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 08:34 PM
 
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Nothing will change as far as policy or funding. Where there are laws in place, they likely be enforced. I doubt any more money will be allocated for programs.

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and there will be some that want to ban abortion entirely:

1. Who will pay for prenatal care if the mother can't afford it? (For example, Texas leads the nation in teen pregnancies.)

2. How will states deal with an increase in babies the parents can't afford? How will social programs to feed these babies be expanded?

3. Will state-funded DNA testing be automatically enacted to confirm paternity? How will paternity tests be bodily forced upon accused fathers?

4. Will stiffer penalties, including prison, be enforced against fathers who refuse to pay child support? Will the mothers be represented pro bono if they can't afford attorneys to ensure this happens?

5. Will rape charges be brought by the state if the girl is underage and the man isn't?
 
Old 06-24-2022, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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Well one way to look at it is even if these children use more financial resources it's better for them than ending up in a medical waste bin.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 08:38 PM
 
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All of the op's questions can be answered by simply applying what their answer would be for children already born in those circumstances.

If a child is already born in a poor circumstance, should we just kill it?
Of course not. I'm not sure how that is the conclusion you came to.

I am 100% on board with my taxes helping to feed children and house families after the children are born. But for states that may ban abortion entirely, how will the increase in not just pregnancies but in those children potentially needing aid for their entire first 18 years be dealt with financially? Increased taxes?
 
Old 06-24-2022, 08:39 PM
 
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Nothing will change as far as policy or funding. Where there are laws in place, they likely be enforced. I doubt any more money will be allocated for programs.
Then how will these children eat? Many more children means a lot more money needed.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 08:45 PM
 
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and there will be some that want to ban abortion entirely:

1. Who will pay for prenatal care if the mother can't afford it? (For example, Texas leads the nation in teen pregnancies.)

2. How will states deal with an increase in babies the parents can't afford? How will social programs to feed these babies be expanded?

3. Will state-funded DNA testing be automatically enacted to confirm paternity? How will paternity tests be bodily forced upon accused fathers?

4. Will stiffer penalties, including prison, be enforced against fathers who refuse to pay child support? Will the mothers be represented pro bono if they can't afford attorneys to ensure this happens?

5. Will rape charges be brought by the state if the girl is underage and the man isn't?
This is why teens should be encouraged to not have sex. Expecting a teenager to faithfully use birth control is silly. Also, teen pregnancy has been dropping for the last couple of decades. It’s about 17 out of 1000, so it’s not the big gloom and doom you are trying to paint. For that small minority of teenage girls it is a big deal, but there are places besides family they can go to for help. And yes, the father should be held accountable. If society started making men be accountable, maybe they would keep it in their pants.

Last but not least, there will be plenty of states where abortion will be legal. They can travel to one of those states if they want. Quit acting like the sky is falling.
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