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Old 06-25-2022, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Russia is now selling more oil than ever to China at an ever increasing world price, whilst Germany refuse to take sides or cut Russian oil and gas dependency, which means Russia is supplying them with just as much oil and gas but at a far higher price, and Germany has made very little effort to change this arrangement.

Saudi Arabia is making a fortune from increased oil prices, and have kept production down to keep prices inflated, whilst according to the Saudi's relations with Russia are as “as warm as the weather in Riyadh”.

Whilst France under Macron is trying to appease Putin and Germany is looking forward to better relations with Russia and more trade post-Ukraine, and talk of rearmament by Germany seem to have been false promises.

Meanwhile the US is picking up the tab for a 100,000 US military personnel in Europe, and US consumers are paying sky high gas prices and inflation on good and services on order that Russia and Saudi Arabia can make increasing profits, whilst Germany ignores western plans, and along with France try to cosy up to Putin's Russia.

Ever felt you have been conned America.

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The divisions don’t stop there. For example: is Putin a partner, or pariah? Emmanuel Macron keeps telephoning him and occasionally warns the rest of Europe that Russia cannot be “humiliated” or be seen to “lose face”. Estonia’s prime minister has responded directly. “Putin can save face by going back to Russia,” she said on her recent trip to London. “I don’t see any point in really talking to him if we want to get the message through that he’s isolated.” Poland’s president is even ruder, asking if anyone worried about saving Hitler’s face.

Then comes Germany. Olaf Scholz, its newish chancellor, initially talked a tough game – pledging to spend €100 billion more on defence, buy American F-35s and abandon the newly-built Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Russia. But the arms Germany promised have been slow in coming. Seven PzH 2000 howitzers, pledged at the start of May, were delivered this week. But there is still no sign of the promised rocket artillery and anti-aircraft tanks and Germany has vetoed attempts by Estonia and Spain to send their own German-made kit to Ukraine.

There is growing suspicion in Berlin that Scholz is trying to play both sides, angling for a more Putin-compatible solution to the crisis. One of his senior advisers said this week that we should think as much about relations with Moscow post-conflict as we do arms supplies to Ukraine.

In a big political speech this week, Scholz said that Putin should be thwarted – but stopped short of wishing Ukraine victory. Perhaps part of him feels that Zelensky is doomed which raises the question: why prolong the agony? Why carry on with this jingoistic charade? And why put Germany through an avoidable winter of misery?

It’s not just that Ukraine is finding it difficult on the battlefield, losing up to a thousand troops a day. The economic war may be about to turn, with Putin ending up on the offensive. The surge in energy prices has meant a windfall for the Kremlin, with €20 billion (£17 billion) from Germany in the first four months alone.

This was, from the offset, the flaw in the sanctions plan. If Germany has no alternative to Russian oil and gas then it was always going to keep buying – funding Putin’s war machine as it went. But at far higher prices.

Those prices would be lower (and the Kremlin a lot poorer) if the Saudis played ball, pumping more oil to keep world prices down as they did in the 1980s. But Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince, is not picking sides. He conspicuously failed to condemn the invasion of Ukraine and has a Macron-style habit of picking up the phone to Putin. When the Saudi energy minister went to the St Petersburg economic summit last week, he declared his country’s relations with Russia to be “as warm as the weather in Riyadh”.

So much for starving Putin’s war machine. Had Germany stopped buying Russian gas, the sanctions might have been debilitating. But they weren’t. Now Putin has found new customers and new ways of getting his hands on most other things he needs. The sanctions will cause massive pain: Russian inflation is high and its economy will have a downturn comparable to the 2008 crash. But with huge cash reserves and most of Russia’s army in Ukraine, it’s not hard to see a situation where Putin ends up winning.

He’s already getting ready, inviting Europe to imagine a winter where he’s in control – and turning off Europe’s gas taps. He has made small cuts in his supplies to Europe in the last few days, to see who squeals. He hasn’t been disappointed. Robert Habeck, Germany’s deputy prime minister and energy minister, said yesterday that the “throttling of gas supplies is an economic attack”. It doesn’t sound like a country ready to break from Russian gas any time soon.

The EU’s crumbling unity has given Putin another opportunity to win - The Telegraph

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Old 06-25-2022, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I was never in favor of sending billions of dollars to a corrupt country that the Biden family was heavily involved in. No accountability to how our money is being spent and it's probably a back door lining of the pockets of the Biden crime family.

Yes many Americans have fallen for the con job.
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Old 06-25-2022, 07:38 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Hate him or love him, Trump would never had gotten us into this situation. Our weak President and the Uni-Party war complex loves to fight battles they cannot win. It's very profitable.

Trump warned Germany and the EU they would be kissing Putins azz for energy. Not sure what it's going to take from them to learn.
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Old 06-25-2022, 07:39 AM
 
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All the time. And it is not just America. Entire world is being conned by the top of the pyramid.

Because of the ongoing family situation, we suddenly had to deal with finding doctors, specialty care and counseling. Everything is out 2-4 months. Counseling is cash only. And so on. People treat EDs as family practice for quick treatments. Where my Puyallup office is, major hospital across the street built huge tent, adjacent to ED entrance, and treats patients inside, along with beds in the ED halls. Literally, looked like war zone.
Reason I am mentioning this is simple.

1. 2 years of "death, death, death"+lockdowns+masking and other forms of psychological humiliation, gave its fruits informs of neuroses and psychoses=spike in diseases
2. people subconsciously feel, SHTF is coming and freak out.

So yes, on subconscious level, we all feel, something ain't right!
War in Ukraine is only small piece in the global mozaic of fast coming crisis.
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Old 06-25-2022, 07:43 AM
 
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Hate him or love him, Trump would never had gotten us into this situation. Our weak President and the Uni-Party war complex loves to fight battles they cannot win. It's very profitable.

Trump warned Germany and the EU they would be kissing Putins azz for energy. Not sure what it's going to take from them to learn.

LOL, Vlad-lite would sent arms to his mentor, Vlad the Invader.



Its not fast to unhook from the Russian gas when no immediately available alternative. But Germany is on way to REARMING, great plan Vlad, rearm a united Germany. Keep it up and maybe they will decide to go with their own nukes. Yep, great plan. Apparently young Vlad was asleep in KGB school when they explained Mutual Assured Destruction.
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Old 06-25-2022, 07:49 AM
 
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Do I feel conned by the Biden led administration ? I felt that Biden was a setup from the start, but most of America was , all 81,000,000 were that voted for the drifter and his allies.
You just had to watch the side action at the G 7 and G 20.
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Old 06-25-2022, 07:51 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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No, not really. Putin's behavior is barbaric.
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Old 06-25-2022, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Cali
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LOL, Vlad-lite would sent arms to his mentor, Vlad the Invader.



Its not fast to unhook from the Russian gas when no immediately available alternative. But Germany is on way to REARMING, great plan Vlad, rearm a united Germany. Keep it up and maybe they will decide to go with their own nukes. Yep, great plan. Apparently young Vlad was asleep in KGB school when they explained Mutual Assured Destruction.
Vlad-lite had 4 years to do it, so why didn't he?
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Old 06-25-2022, 08:02 AM
 
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Vlad-lite had 4 years to do it, so why didn't he?

Vlad the Invader thought he could do it on cheap and simply put a puppet regime in place like he did in Belarus or at least cower them like he did in Georgia. Now he has modern equivalent of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Vlad more ruthless and cares not about how many tens of thousands of young Russians die for his goals. But eventually sanctions and greatly expanded Russian cemeteries will make an impression.
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Old 06-25-2022, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Vlad the Invader thought he could do it on cheap and simply put a puppet regime in place like he did in Belarus or at least cower them like he did in Georgia. Now he has modern equivalent of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Vlad more ruthless and cares not about how many tens of thousands of young Russians die for his goals. But eventually sanctions and greatly expanded Russian cemeteries will make an impression.
I thought Vlad-lite was the puppet Vlad the Invader installed.

So why didn't Vlad the Invader invaded Ukraine anytime between 2016-2020?
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