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Old 06-30-2022, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Proof?
What proof do you need? It's self-evident that if both partners took a greater role in ensuring that they were properly using birth control, as opposed to taking less of a role, the rate of pregnancy (wanted or otherwise) would drop.

 
Old 06-30-2022, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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What proof do you need? It's self-evident that if both partners took a greater role in ensuring that they were properly using birth control, as opposed to taking less of a role, the rate of pregnancy (wanted or otherwise) would drop.
Bingo…but they only want to blame the meanie men.
 
Old 06-30-2022, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Are you denying that the women have been forced to take the brunt of the responsibility since time immemorial, and that even though pharma has designed a male birth control pill, it fails to make it to market because men don't like the side-effects? And that women have been dealing with the side effects of the pill all this time? And that countless men refuse to use a condom?

Many nuances.

But the math doesn't lie.
Math certainly doesn’t lie, and let’s not forget only the woman can get pregnant… but keep blaming the man.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1115062

For example, an estimated 257 million women around the world who want to avoid pregnancy are not using safe, modern methods of contraception.
 
Old 06-30-2022, 10:29 AM
 
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Legally, at the age of 18, they can.

It's just something that many doctors won't do, because they've lived through watching people wanting it reversed, and feel it's not ethical practice.

I'm sure anyone desiring sterilization can get that procedure, they just have to shop around for it.

Maybe even go across a state line? Horrors.
 
Old 06-30-2022, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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But they DIDN'T care until their sexual partners couldn't get an abortion.
what makes you think they didn't care before...vasectomies' have been done for nearly 200 years

I got mine on my 50th birthday, (my wife and I have 5 kids)... and yes I went against the Catholic Church in doing so.
 
Old 06-30-2022, 10:36 AM
 
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Math certainly doesn’t lie, and let’s not forget only the woman can get pregnant… but keep blaming the man.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1115062

For example, an estimated 257 million women around the world who want to avoid pregnancy are not using safe, modern methods of contraception.
The report shows how easily the most fundamental rights of women and girls are pushed to the backburner in both times of peace and during war.

It calls on decision-makers and those in charge of health systems to help prevent unintended pregnancies by improving accessibility, acceptability and contraception choices - while also urging policy makers and community leaders to empower women and girls to make affirmative decisions about sex, contraception and motherhood.

If this is done, women and girls will be able to contribute fully to society with the tools, information and power to decide for themselves whether or not to have children.

“By putting the power to make this most fundamental decision squarely in the hands of women and girls, societies can ensure that motherhood is an aspiration and not an inevitability,” concluded the UNFPA chief.


Thank goodness for Planned Parenthood.

How do you feel about Planned Parenthood?

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/ab...we-are/mission
 
Old 06-30-2022, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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What proof do you need? It's self-evident that if both partners took a greater role in ensuring that they were properly using birth control, as opposed to taking less of a role, the rate of pregnancy (wanted or otherwise) would drop.
Ask Mr Bingo. He asks for proof of everything.
 
Old 06-30-2022, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by ClaraC View Post
Legally, at the age of 18, they can.

It's just something that many doctors won't do, because they've lived through watching people wanting it reversed, and feel it's not ethical practice.

I'm sure anyone desiring sterilization can get that procedure, they just have to shop around for it.
1. Vasectomies are not sterilization.

2. many young men want to get it, because they dont want kids, not now, not ever

3. many women get their tubes tied (most get cut, tied, burned) for the same reason, they don't want kids, they want a career... many years ago, I was dating this fiery redhead, we were both in the military, both were making it a career, we both really liked each other, but she didn't want kids, ever, called them hellions, we had lots of fun, but we both went our separate ways, as I left Bragg for another post, and so did she.

4. Doctors have no-problem doing it, they just make sure you understand it is not easily reversed
 
Old 06-30-2022, 10:56 AM
 
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The difference here is more likely due to the risks with each rather than other factors. A vasectomy is generally considered a minor procedure that is often performed in the doctor's office. A Tubal Ligation is surgery and is considered to be a higher risk because of possible complications.

I could see it much more likely for a doctor to deny a woman from getting a tubal ligation just because she doesn't want kids, than a guy being denied a vasectomy for the same reason.
Risk is not the reason given (in my day anyway). It was "honey you will change your mind". Generally, doctors would not do a tubal unless you had 2 kids already. There really isnt high risk with either. The only difference I can think of is the anesthesia and a slight risk of infection which is true with any surgery. Also doctors make a lot more money overall with pregnancies, birth, and pediatrics than a one time tubal ligation.
 
Old 06-30-2022, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Good. Taking responsibility. It's a positive thing.

Is it though? Should that many men become sterile? How many of them are ages 25 - 35? What happens if they decide down the road they want kids? Then what?


Man, if only there was a latex sheath men could put over their penises before having sex. They could sell them at CVS, gas stations, Wal-Mart, and even grocery stores.


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