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Agreed, 'guns' must be brought under control.
Both extreme Left, and extreme Right will have to come to the realization that they'll have to work together, and compromise no matter how distasteful that will be for either of them, for it surely will be.
The lethality of semi-auto / high-capacity-magazine-fed firearms since the end of the Second World War has become so great, so potentially destructive, that BATF will simply have to create a new category for weapons of this type, based on FUNCTION, not name, color, size or shape or external attachments.
Much in the same way that fully-automatic firearms were brought under control in the mid-1930's the same, or very similar rulings, will have to be put into effect now with semi-automatic firearms of the type described above.
Any SA firearm, with the capability to accept a high-capacity (more than 10 rounds?) magazine, and ANY magazine of more than (X) rounds, will have to be registered, taxed and 'papered', again, based on function, not some easily changed brand name. ATF will have to track ALL of them, yes, tens of millions of firearms, potentially.
Those not in compliance after some grace period (10 years?) will be in violation and face stiff penalties, and loss of all 2A rights.
So, Semi-Automatic firearms of any description or 'feature' can still be legally manufactured, bought, sold, offered for sale, owned, in possession, etc. but they WILL be registered with BATF, preferably with those new-builds having S/N's recorded at the FACTORY, so that records can be kept of how many were made, where shipped etc. Mandatory national wait times, (three weeks?) will be required before legal transfer. Sale will be cancelled if prospective buyer is denied by ATF, and tax, purchase price refunded minus handling / processing fee. National 'back-ground' checks....they'll be mandatory....apply at the shop....if it comes back "NO" then you may appeal, once. If you get turned down a second time, then no SA firearms for you. If you get a "YES"...pay the tax...register the SA weapon with ATF and get on with your day. No limit on how many you may own...have in possession etc...but they must all be 'papered', taxed, and registered. ATF may inspect 'at will' should they deem it necessary.
Bottom line is that no one is going to get to have it all their own way. Pro-2A elements will have to take a leadership position on this issue, or the pressure for change will eventually become so great that 2A supporters will be shut out of the discussion entirely and simply have rulings handed down to them.
The "Left" won't get all they want either. SA firearms will still be available to own, and have in possession.
Arming teachers is a ridiculous idea. School teachers are NOT policemen, or infantrymen. They'd not know which end of a weapon to hold, let alone win a 'fire-fight' against some crazy that is determined to die.
Schools WILL have to hire professional security, trim tough young men who know what they're doing. Schools will have to have designed in features in the campuses that promote safety and security without turning the places into prisons.
Mental health and anti-bullying programs will HAVE to be put into place. If children, kids become so desperate in their school 'lives' that they become willing to kill....and die....we have a SERIOUS mental health crisis that needs to be addressed, and those needs met as part of normal life, not exceptions for those branded 'weirdos' etc.
Lastly, Hollywood, and the game industry needs to be called to task for promoting the most insane and egregious and grotesque violence.
Film after film show flippant use of firearms, shows 'hero's' saving the day with a 'gun'. Video-games are unbelievably violent. Such 'media' clearly desensitize young impressionable minds, make it 'OK' to solve problems with violence and must be strictly regulated.....i.e. TAXED. Hit those that make HUGE money from these 'media' in the pocket-book, where it hurts the most. Take that tax money and fund programs (similar to the National Defense Highway tax structure) that pay for programs for victims, and improved health, safety and security for schools.
It's going to take a long-term, multi-generational, cross-the-political aisle effort. We've grown up with this, and we'll have to put concerted effort into bringing this violence under control.
Last edited by Happy Cells; 07-03-2022 at 11:20 AM..
Agreed, 'guns' must be brought under control.
Both extreme Left, and extreme Right will have to come to the realization that they'll have to work together, and compromise no matter how distasteful that will be for either of them, for it surely will be.
The lethality of semi-auto / high-capacity-magazine-fed firearms since the end of the Second World War has become so great, so potentially destructive, that BATF will simply have to create a new category for weapons of this type, based on FUNCTION, not name, color, size or shape or external attachments.
Much in the same way that fully-automatic firearms were brought under control in the mid-1930's the same, or very similar rulings, will have to be put into effect now with semi-automatic firearms of the type described above.
Any SA firearm, with the capability to accept a high-capacity (more than 10 rounds?) will have to be registered, taxed and 'papered', again, based on function, not some easily changed brand name. ATF will have to track ALL of them, yes, tens of millions of firearms, potentially.
Those not in compliance after some grace period (10 years?) will be in violation and face stiff penalties, and loss of all 2A rights.
So, Semi-Automatic firearms of any description or 'feature' can still be legally manufactured, bought, sold, offered for sale, owned, in possession, etc. but they WILL be registered with BATF, preferably with those new-builds having S/N's recorded at the FACTORY, so that records can be kept of how many were made, where shipped etc. Mandatory national wait times, (three weeks?) will be required before legal transfer. Sale will be cancelled if prospective buyer is denied by ATF, and tax, purchase price refunded minus handling / processing fee. National 'back-ground' checks....they'll be mandatory....apply at the shop....if it comes back "NO" then you may appeal, once. If you get turned down a second time, then no SA firearms for you. If you get a "YES"...pay the tax...register the SA weapon with ATF and get on with your day. No limit on how many you may own...have in possession etc...but they must all be 'papered', taxed, and registered. ATF may inspect 'at will' should they deem it necessary.
Bottom line is that no one is going to get to have it all their own way. Pro-2A elements will have to take a leadership position on this issue, or the pressure for change will eventually become so great that 2A supporters will be shut out of the discussion entirely and simply have rulings handed down to them.
The "Left" won't get all they want either. SA firearms will still be available to own, and have in possession.
Arming teachers is a ridiculous idea. School teachers are NOT policemen, or infantrymen. They'd not know which end of a weapon to hold, let alone win a 'fire-fight' against some crazy that is determined to die.
Schools WILL have to hire professional security, trim tough young men who know what they're doing. Schools will have to have designed in features in the campuses that promote safety and security with out turning the places into prisons.
Mental health and anti-bullying programs will HAVE to be put into place. If children, kids become so desperate in their school 'lives' that they become willing to kill....and die....we have a SERIOUS mental health crisis that needs to be addressed, and those needs met as part of normal life, not exceptions for those branded 'weirdos' etc.
Lastly, Hollywood, and the game industry needs to be called to task for promoting the most insane and egregious and grotesque violence.
Film after film show flippant use of firearms, shows 'hero's' saving the day with a 'gun'. Video-games are unbelievably violent. Such 'media' clearly desensitize young impressionable minds, make it 'OK' to solve problems with violence and must be strictly regulated.....i.e. TAXED. Hit those that make HUGE money from these 'media' in the pocket-book, where it hurts the most. Take that tax money and fund programs (similar to the National Defense Highway tax structure) that pay for programs for victims, and improved health, safety and security for schools.
It's going to take a long-term, multi-generational, cross-the-political aisle effort. We've grown up with this, and we'll have to put concerted effort into bringing this violence under control.
BUT......isn't the argument "It's the guns fault"? The first part of your argument is all about gun control with the left not giving up anything and wanting to take away rights from gun owners. Then the second part of your argument actually addresses common sense steps that would be a good start in addressing the root cause of the violence we are seeing. According to the left, controlling guns is all that's needed to end the violence. Gun control is not the answer to the violence problem. People are.
Mother walking with baby stroller fatally shot in NYC, in good area on Upper East Side (link). These guns are out of control. The Justices of the Supreme Court liberated these guns to wreak havoc. Common sense gun restrictions would have prevented this grizzly murder. The guns must be brought under control.
You're not taking away our right to own a firearm.
Being soft on crime will no solve any problems. It does far more harm than good. On the other hand, we also have another problem. We have many individuals who live by a subculture of violence. They believe that violence is the answer to all problems. Lock up all the thugs committing violent crimes. We need to do that. However, what about the next generation? We still have individuals who will commit murder because they are being raised to be killers. They are being raised to regard violence as normal and part of life. They are being raised to believe that the only way to so any disagreement, any perceived disrespect, is to inflict violence/death on the other party. As long as that mindset exists and keeps existing, we are going to continue to have alot of problems with violent crime.
Being soft on crime will no solve any problems. It does far more harm than good. On the other hand, we also have another problem. We have many individuals who live by a subculture of violence. They believe that violence is the answer to all problems. Lock up all the thugs committing violent crimes. We need to do that. However, what about the next generation? We still have individuals who will commit murder because they are being raised to be killers. They are being raised to regard violence as normal and part of life. They are being raised to believe that the only way to so any disagreement, any perceived disrespect, is to inflict violence/death on the other party. As long as that mindset exists and keeps existing, we are going to continue to have alot of problems with violent crime.
And some of those may be the righteous parents. That is, "if any man did that to my child, I would blow away the SOB!". Or because her woman lawyer is going after his retirement pay, it was right for him to ram his car into her office, shoot the both of them, and then commit suicide.
How many of us were raised hearing that, that in proper circumstances, it was right for us to take the law into our own hands and be judge, jury, and executioner.
Getting thugs off the street is easy. Discouraging criminal behavior among those who are already so far gone, that's harder.
No it's not. You can arrest 1000 criminals and they'll all make bail the next day unless denied by a judge.
And the judge will approve the bail because the jails/prisons are already full.
Also, you can't discourage criminal behavior other than stop and frisk. If criminals cared about discouragement, they wouldn't be criminals.
Roughly 30% of black Americans commit over 50% of the murder. In order to get both numbers lower, you need direct intervention, discouragement isn't going to work.
Blaming guns isn't going to accomplish anything. First thing the BS bail reform crap needs to be repealed.
More policing the streets, more police funding, including body/vehicle cams. DOT & DOJ needs to
update and use cams to help prevent, report, solve crimes more efficiently.
We need to get rid of the current club med style jails & prisons. They need to be be replaced with
updated Alcatraz Maximum Security style prisons. The idea is to punish the criminals there, and to deter others from wanting to be sent there. None of this weight area, basketball courts, etc.
Single cells (bunk, toilet, sink), one day a week go for a 20 min shower. Prisoners leave cells to go to mess hall. Exercise time is when you work. You only work if you earn the privilege.
Possible work:
kitchen
laundry
wood shop
janitorial
Any BS the privileges are stripped, and prisoner(s) are sent to the hole for week. No leaving for anything.
meals are brought to prisoners.
For the county jails, we need to bring back the "real work crews" aka "Chain Gangs". Make them earn their keep while they serve their time.
Agreed, 'guns' must be brought under control.
Both extreme Left, and extreme Right will have to come to the realization that they'll have to work together, and compromise no matter how distasteful that will be for either of them, for it surely will be.
The lethality of semi-auto / high-capacity-magazine-fed firearms since the end of the Second World War has become so great, so potentially destructive, that BATF will simply have to create a new category for weapons of this type, based on FUNCTION, not name, color, size or shape or external attachments.
Much in the same way that fully-automatic firearms were brought under control in the mid-1930's the same, or very similar rulings, will have to be put into effect now with semi-automatic firearms of the type described above.
Any SA firearm, with the capability to accept a high-capacity (more than 10 rounds?) magazine, and ANY magazine of more than (X) rounds, will have to be registered, taxed and 'papered', again, based on function, not some easily changed brand name. ATF will have to track ALL of them, yes, tens of millions of firearms, potentially.
Those not in compliance after some grace period (10 years?) will be in violation and face stiff penalties, and loss of all 2A rights.
So, Semi-Automatic firearms of any description or 'feature' can still be legally manufactured, bought, sold, offered for sale, owned, in possession, etc. but they WILL be registered with BATF, preferably with those new-builds having S/N's recorded at the FACTORY, so that records can be kept of how many were made, where shipped etc. Mandatory national wait times, (three weeks?) will be required before legal transfer. Sale will be cancelled if prospective buyer is denied by ATF, and tax, purchase price refunded minus handling / processing fee. National 'back-ground' checks....they'll be mandatory....apply at the shop....if it comes back "NO" then you may appeal, once. If you get turned down a second time, then no SA firearms for you. If you get a "YES"...pay the tax...register the SA weapon with ATF and get on with your day. No limit on how many you may own...have in possession etc...but they must all be 'papered', taxed, and registered. ATF may inspect 'at will' should they deem it necessary.
Bottom line is that no one is going to get to have it all their own way. Pro-2A elements will have to take a leadership position on this issue, or the pressure for change will eventually become so great that 2A supporters will be shut out of the discussion entirely and simply have rulings handed down to them.
The "Left" won't get all they want either. SA firearms will still be available to own, and have in possession.
Arming teachers is a ridiculous idea. School teachers are NOT policemen, or infantrymen. They'd not know which end of a weapon to hold, let alone win a 'fire-fight' against some crazy that is determined to die.
Schools WILL have to hire professional security, trim tough young men who know what they're doing. Schools will have to have designed in features in the campuses that promote safety and security without turning the places into prisons.
Mental health and anti-bullying programs will HAVE to be put into place. If children, kids become so desperate in their school 'lives' that they become willing to kill....and die....we have a SERIOUS mental health crisis that needs to be addressed, and those needs met as part of normal life, not exceptions for those branded 'weirdos' etc.
Lastly, Hollywood, and the game industry needs to be called to task for promoting the most insane and egregious and grotesque violence.
Film after film show flippant use of firearms, shows 'hero's' saving the day with a 'gun'. Video-games are unbelievably violent. Such 'media' clearly desensitize young impressionable minds, make it 'OK' to solve problems with violence and must be strictly regulated.....i.e. TAXED. Hit those that make HUGE money from these 'media' in the pocket-book, where it hurts the most. Take that tax money and fund programs (similar to the National Defense Highway tax structure) that pay for programs for victims, and improved health, safety and security for schools.
It's going to take a long-term, multi-generational, cross-the-political aisle effort. We've grown up with this, and we'll have to put concerted effort into bringing this violence under control.
"'guns' must be brought under control."
Guns are just an inanimate tool.
PEOPLE must be brought under control!
"The lethality of semi-auto........"
Why do you go after an object that us used LESS then another object?
Blunt instruments like baseball bats are used MORE then ALL RIFLES combined.
Are you prepared to start registering and regulating baseball bats?
It makes MORE sense to me to go after the item used the MOST.
Why is it the states with the STRICTEST anti gun laws are also the states with the HIGHER numbers of gun crimes?
"When you do the same thing over and over, do NOT expect a different outcome!"
The bottom line is some are not really concerned with the amount of guns deaths.
It is just a smoke screen to hide their own fears!
"Bottom line is that no one is going to get to have it all their own way. Pro-2A elements will have to take a leadership position on this issue, or the pressure for change will eventually become so great that 2A supporters will be shut out of the discussion entirely and simply have rulings handed down to them.
The "Left" won't get all they want either. SA firearms will still be available to own, and have in possession."
I think you have it just the opposite.
"Arming teachers is a ridiculous idea." Many teachers are ALREADY armed.
"They'd not know which end of a weapon to hold"
I'm confused. We constantly hear how "highly educated" and "smart" our teachers are and NOW you are saying they are incapable of being TAUGHT and trained?
Some teachers are ex military, some teachers are hunters and some compete in shooting competition. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
You want to blame the instrument and NOT the person who broke the laws.
Posts like yours are a perfect reason why we CANNOT have honest, adult, knowledgeable discussions on this issue.
Last edited by Quick Enough; 07-04-2022 at 05:21 AM..
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