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As this thread started in late June and I haven't read the rest...
1) you may and should be aware by now that NY state is imposing many conditions on CCW; there are so many places on this long list near which CCW holders are forbidden from carrying a concealed weapon that CCW, while no longer having a "proper cause" clause, is going to be very difficult.
2) gun homicides have been happening in NYC and other cities for years, and it's illegal gun owners save very few exceptions.
That’s the problem that prevents any reasonable gun restrictions, paranoia and the domino theory. We have 400 million guns in this country yet they feel any step will result in complete confiscation.
the real problem is you guys cant even define what an "assault weapon" or a "military style" weapon is, yet you want to ban, and with a 100% ban, it does require a confiscation.
an AR-15 is not an "assault weapon", nor a "military style" weapon.... it does NOT have full auto, therefore it is not an assault/military weapon
an ar-15 is a semi-auto sport/hunting rifle.... and there are many rifles out there that are semi-automatic... and today, most handguns are semi-automatic
you talk about """reasonable gun restrictions""" yet the bill of rights , very plainly says """the rights of the PEOPLE to own and carry weapons shall not be infringed"""..... and that means at any level not just the federal level
one of the problems is the fascist liberals do not know how to actually read...and understand what is actually written, like, the power is at the state level for those things not specifically mentioned in the US Constitution
one of the things the liberals constantly fail to mention is that some of the things actually mentioned in the constitution ONLY affect the federal government
for example:
please note a difference between the 1st amendment and the 2nd amendment
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
notice the 1st amendment clearly states that Congress (federal level) shall make no law (but states CAN)....where as the 2nd amendment simply says that this right shall not be infringed...meaning at any level
and liberals cant even figure out what the 2nd amendment means.. or how abolishing it would also abolish the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments too
Mother walking with baby stroller fatally shot in NYC, in good area on Upper East Side (link). These guns are out of control. The Justices of the Supreme Court liberated these guns to wreak havoc. Common sense gun restrictions would have prevented this grizzly murder. The guns must be brought under control.
Let me guess, you believe the same tired old rubbish of imposing more gun restrictions on the law-abiding public, which of course will not put a dent in the criminals committing gun violence.
BTW - Did you vote for Obama, and do you generally support the (D's)?
All they did was afirm that every citizens constitutional rights cannot be infringed by the government. We are of course talking about law abiding citizens.
Being in NYC, you might not have been familiar with Florida, who allowed law abiding citizens to get concealed carry permits back in 1987.
The liberal newspaper Miami Herald and some local broadcasters at the time were claiming "blood will be running in the streets".
Yet their predictions were incorrect, and a couple of them when asked a few years ago what their thoughts were, admitted they were wrong.
Virtually everyone who has a CCW is law abiding, and few if any crimes are committed by them. So keep that in mind when assuming gun rights should be restricted.
All they did was afirm that every citizens constitutional rights cannot be infringed by the government. We are of course talking about law abiding citizens.
Being in NYC, you might not have been familiar with Florida, who allowed law abiding citizens to get concealed carry permits back in 1987.
The liberal newspaper Miami Herald and some local broadcasters at the time were claiming "blood will be running in the streets".
Yet their predictions were incorrect, and a couple of them when asked a few years ago what their thoughts were, admitted they were wrong.
Virtually everyone who has a CCW is law abiding, and few if any crimes are committed by them. So keep that in mind when assuming gun rights should be restricted.
What better way is there to punish your political enemies than to ban and criminalize their lawfully owned possessions and activities? That's what gun control is all about. Liberals want to enslave the entire country and ram their sordid political agenda down our throats. The only thing stopping them is the Constitution and Bill of rights. That's why they are trying to convince people that the Constitution is a living breathing document that hasn't kept up with the times. That it can be legislated away by judicial fiat from activist justices appointed by them. Circumventing the difficult amendment process that is required by Constitutional law. They're trying to change this country into an unbridled democracy of which it was never intended to be.
"A pure unbridled democracy is a political system in which the majority enjoys absolute power by means of democratic elections. In an unvarnished democracy, unrestrained by a constitution, the majority can vote to impose tyranny on themselves and the minority opposition. They can vote to elect those who will infringe upon our inalienable God-given rights. Thomas Jefferson referred to this as elected despotism in Notes on the State of Virginia (also cited in Federalist 48 by Madison):"
Quote:
"There are only a few laws in history that are universally applicable. One of these is that the ruling classes do not want the peasantry armed. They will do what they can to convince you that to be armed is dangerous. They will attempt to do this while they themselves are surrounded by armed body guards. Idiots will not notice this hypocrisy and sycophants will ignore it. Fools will surrender their arms in the name of "safety". They will insensibly surrender their liberty at the same time. This is how slaves are made."
Let me guess, you believe the same tired old rubbish of imposing more gun restrictions on the law-abiding public, which of course will not put a dent in the criminals committing gun violence.
BTW - Did you vote for Obama, and do you generally support the (D's)?
I don't believe that at all. Read more carefully. I said the gun must be restricted from killing someone by itself. And btw here are my Presidential votes:
Gun control. What a load of rubbish. The issue isn't guns; it's mentally unstable people. Interestingly enough, most of the mass shooters of the last 10 or more years have been mentally unstable leftists. Unstable leftists. You never hear this fact on the news because it doesn't fit the narrative. Gun control doesn't work. Look at Chicago, the strictest gun ownership city in the nation. Chicago is Chiraq. Chicago is the world's largest outdoor shooting range. They have more shootings weekly than anywhere else in the nation despite having the strictest laws. Detroit. The recent Texas shooting. Guy was a leftist nutter. They trawled his social media, same as the Colorado shooter, and the idiot that shot Steve Scalise, and it goes on and on.
The lamestream media never mentions the fact these people are leftists that are mentally unstable. They blame the guns. John F. Kennedy's car killed more people than the average law-abiding gun owner's guns will ever kill. 30,000 DUI deaths in the country yearly. No one blames the car or the booze. They blame the driver. 10,000 people a year are bludgeoned to death with bats, hammers, etc. No one blames the bats and hammers. They blame the murderer. 20,000 people a year are stabbed to death. No one blames the knives. Just the murderer. Guns are politicized. It fits the narrative to disarm the population. The government doesn't fear bats, hammers, and knives. They fear an armed populace. The Founders predicted this, hence the 2nd Amendment. Governments cannot control an armed populace. Look at history. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao. The first things they did before becoming really ugly was disarm the population. Look at Australia, New Zealand. Those places are largely disarmed and they are becoming dictator states.
Gun control. What a load of rubbish. The issue isn't guns; it's mentally unstable people. Interestingly enough, most of the mass shooters of the last 10 or more years have been mentally unstable leftists. Unstable leftists. You never hear this fact on the news because it doesn't fit the narrative. Gun control doesn't work. Look at Chicago, the strictest gun ownership city in the nation. Chicago is Chiraq. Chicago is the world's largest outdoor shooting range. They have more shootings weekly than anywhere else in the nation despite having the strictest laws. Detroit. The recent Texas shooting. Guy was a leftist nutter. They trawled his social media, same as the Colorado shooter, and the idiot that shot Steve Scalise, and it goes on and on.
The lamestream media never mentions the fact these people are leftists that are mentally unstable. They blame the guns. John F. Kennedy's car killed more people than the average law-abiding gun owner's guns will ever kill. 30,000 DUI deaths in the country yearly. No one blames the car or the booze. They blame the driver. 10,000 people a year are bludgeoned to death with bats, hammers, etc..
I wouldn't take that argument too far. Jarod Lochner (sp) was a good Republican. And I think you mean Edward Kennedy's car, that hot night of July 18, 1969.
I wouldn't take that argument too far. Jarod Lochner (sp) was a good Republican. And I think you mean Edward Kennedy's car, that hot night of July 18, 1969.
You are correct about Kennedy. The mass murderers are not 100% leftists, just most of them recently. But they are all mentally unstable cretins. Gun control is about control. It's also racist as hell. Gun control in this country stemmed from trying to keep black people from firearms ownership. It was racist in its roots and it still is. Remember, it's the Democrats who push gun control, not Republicans. Democrats, the party of historic racism in this country that would attempt to disarm people because of the color of their skin. The Democrats then flip-flopped and became the party of woke tolerance and socialism. Blacks have not forgotten. Blacks that know history, remember. It's a racist agenda at heart. Please do the research on this issue and you'll find what I'm presenting to you to be 100% true. Reagan, when he was governor of CA, passed strict gun laws because of the Black Panthers and their public gun ownership. No other reason. None of them were guilty of anything other than being black gun owners. Look at North Carolina and the Jim Crow laws with voting and gun ownership. Many other places besides. We have not forgotten the past those of us who are students of history.
People who have permits are 99% of the time not the shooters. The SCOTUS decision impacted only those individuals, the ones with legal guns and permits, not pathetic losers like the shooter in this case.
True, but I think it is much higher than 99%.
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